On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:09:54 +0200, "CRxx"
wrote:
>
>"George Hammond"
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Nails and hair do not actually grow after death. Of course cells do
>function
>>>after death.
>>
>> [Hammond]
>> My father was an undertaker, it is well known that your
>> beard grows after your dead. You just contradicted yourself
>> above.
>
>Now, the fact that beard hair and stuff like that can continue to appear to
>grow, is exactly why this is an idea that does not disappear fast. This type
>of information can be classified as a meme. Just like the many words the
>inuit have for snow. You can check
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair for
>confirmation of my statement, or do a little search yourself.
[Hammond]
OK Christine, Wikipedia article you cited says:
"It is commonly claimed that hair and nails will continue
growing for several days after death. This is a myth; the
appearance of growth is actually caused by the retraction of
skin as the surrounding tissue dehydrates, making nails and
hair more prominent."
[Hammond]
OK Christine, ... your point is well taken. However, a
microtubule is far less complicated than a hair folicle
since it is a stand alone nanometer sized solid state
molecular structure. Fact is, the proposed microtubule
function of life after death proposed here does not require
ANY ambient cell function whatsoever, and is posited to
occur within 1-SECOND after death.
So OBVIOUSLY my proposal is prima facie a viable
scientific thesis. Btw, I am not an undegreed or
unpublished amateur in these areas:
CURRICULUM VITAE
GEORGE HAMMOND
B.S. Physics 1964, Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester MA, USA (Deans List)
M.S. Physics 1967, Northeastern University,
Boston MA, USA
Ph.D. Candidate and Teaching Fellow in Physics, 1967-68
Northeastern Univ. Boston MA
Note: Studied Relativity under Prof. Richard Arnowitt
at N.U. and who is presently Distinguished
Professor of Physics at TAMU
Peer reviewed publications:
Hammond G.E (1994) The Cartesian Theory, in
New Ideas In Psychology, Vol 12(2) 153-167
Pergamon Press. Online copy of peer/published
paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/cart.html
Hammond G.E.(2003) A Semiclassical Proof of God
Noetic Journal, Vol 4(3) July 2003, pp 231-244(Noetic
Press)
Online copy of peer/published paper is posted at:
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god/Hammond5s1.html
>[Christine]
>And what I did was write a paradox. That is something that only appears to
>be a contradiction. As I said, cells continue to function, but they start to
>function differently. Osmotic memranes start to function differently, and so
>forth. Basically all cells start to behave all by themselves rather
>uncontrolled and start to function as conduits for well...it kinda gets
>gross here now, so I'll take it that you understand my meaning, and also,
>that I offered a paradox.
[Hammond]
Look... the mechanism of Life After Death proposed here is
posited to occur within 1-SECOND after brain death (EEG
flatline), so therefore NONE of the arguments you have
presented have any relevance whatsoever. Cell
degeneration/dehydration after death takes MINUTES or HOURS
.... it does not occur 1-SECOND after death!
>>
>
>> [Hammond]
>> Exactly.... my guess is that the "Afterlife dream" if we can
>> call it that is precomputed, day by day, all of your life
>> and stored in microtubule memory. It could be "downloaded"
>> in milli-seconds (either microwave-Frolich or optically-Jubu
>> et al), the same as you can download a 4 hour video movie on
>> your computer in a matter of seconds.
>
>[Christine]
>This does however not explain the different way the memory functions when we
>get older. While the more accepted view that memory seems to be related to
>the shape of the dendrites. The older you get, the shorter the dendrites,
>and at the same time more branched out. Some information on this can be
>found at
>
http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2006/10/dendritic-translation-and-memory.php
>
>Christine!
>
[Hammond]
Naw.... you're way behind the times.... it is now known that
microtubule function is essentially to memory. For instance
Altzheimers disease is a MICROTUBULE disease and the first
symtom (and major symptom) of Altzheimers is MEMORY LOSS!
I can cite a hundred papers on the microtubule basis of
memory if you're interested. Here's an example of a well
known paper by Nancy Woolf of UCLA frequently cited by
Stewart Hameroff and many others:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/t185878143187421/
where Nancy Wollf Phd neuroscietist says:
"The specific proposal is advanced that learning alters
microtubules in the subsynaptic zone lying beneath the
synapse, and that this forms the physical basis of long-term
memory storage ....... It is argued that this is more
probable than memory-related physical storage in the synapse
itself. Comparisons to consciousness are made and it is
concluded that there is a link between microtubules, memory
and consciousness. "
and furthermore Stuart Hameroff himself cites this relation
of microtubules to MEMORY on Psyche-B in the following
message by him:
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:35:43 -0700
Reply-To: "PSYCHE Discussion Forum
From: Stuart Hameroff
Subject: PAPER: Microtubule-associated-protein-2 and
contextual memory
Hi everyone
Some time ago we were discussing whether cytoskeletal
structures were involved in cognitive processes. ..., the
following paper recently appeared in Neuroscience regarding
mice.
Deletion of the N-terminus of microtubule associated protein
2 by gene targeting disrupts hippocampal CA1 neuron
architecture and alters contextual memory (2003) Z Khuchua
et al..Neuroscience 119:101-111
The paper confirms (and references) earlier work by Nancy
Woolf at UCLA. Obviously this shows that the "easy problem"
of memory requires active involvement of cytoskeletal
structures including microtubules.
cheers
Stuart Hameroff
[Hammond]
Furthermore, Sir Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff
established over 10 years ago in a now famous development
that the microtubule system is a COMPUTER having a
processing speed of 10^15 bits/sec (Penrose _Shadows of the
Mind, Ch 7, 1994).
Now, a COMPUTER can't be a computer unless it has a
MEMORY and obviously that memory must be contained in the
microtubule system. All I'm saying is that the microtubule
memory system is CERTAINLY large enough to contain the
"Afterlife Dream" of classical Christianity as outlined by
St. Paul in 1 Cor. Ch 15:35-58 or as outlined by Tiplers
"computer Resurrection" theory.
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