Malrassic Park wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:40:33 -0800 (PST), almost Budapest
>
lycos.com> wrote:
>>>Malrassic Park wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:53:12 -0800 (PST), almost Budapest
>>>
lycos.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Malrassic Park wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:17:03 -0800 (PST), almost Budapest
>>>>>
lycos.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>Malrassic Park wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:50:34 -0800 (PST), chazwin
>>>>>>>
yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Nov 19, 5:21 am, Malrassic Park
gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:28:29 -0700, "curmudgeon"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
bresnan.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>This is a link to a most awful story, about how a teenage girl was
>>>>>>>>>>apparently pushed towards suicide by people who ought to have known better:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> THE CHILDREN!!! THE CHILDREN!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, Mr. Curmudgeon, this shit only happens on MySpace. But if you
>>>>>>>>> insist on feeling anti-American, in other words, anti-freedom,
>>>>>>>>> anti-human rights, and anti-democracy, we can always nuke the shit out
>>>>>>>>> of your country and really give you something to whine about, assuming
>>>>>>>>> you survive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Typical American answer to everything. Their version of freedom: the
>>>>>>>>freedom to nuke the fuck out of anything they do not like or do not
>>>>>>>>understand.
>>>>>>>>Fuck Yeah, team America! We're gonna nuke the mutha fuckin world yeah!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh I see, but it's okay for there to be a nuclear Iran and a nuclear
>>>>>>> North Korea, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Such short memory. Europeans were responsible for the two most
>>>>>>devastating wars in history (also the Holocaust), as well as being the
>>>>>>originators of the whole imperialistic / colonial mess and demoliton
>>>>>>of cultures --which postmodernism whined about in the last century.
>>>>>>That included meddling ineptly in the Middle East long before the US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But it's not just a matter of wanting their own past sins to be
>>>>>>obscured by deflecting attention to the present "bully" across the
>>>>>>pond. That "bully" is also getting more and more non-white throughout
>>>>>>the 21st century. At some point in the future there may finally be a
>>>>>>majority non-white superpower that can either curb or eradicate the
>>>>>>actual menace--the Caucasian menace--on a global basis, instead of
>>>>>>diddling about in and molesting 2nd and 3rd world populations. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Seriously, though, what Hegel historically pointed out (link below)
>>>>>>concerning not over- "abstractifying" human individuals should also
>>>>>>apply to individual countries (the Germanic irony of it all!). As
>>>>>>useful and indispensable as non-concrete thinking is, it is doubtless
>>>>>>also the source of the most deplorable aspects of human history.
>>>>>>
http://hegel.marxists.org/works/se/abstract.htm>>>>>
>>>>> Don't knock down our skyscrapers and kill innocent American civilians,
>>>>> and everything will be all right. Stop making the victim out to be the
>>>>> villain ("bully"). Is that concrete enough for you?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hah--if you saw this from the grave--take that, Derrida! I got
>>>>completely misinterpreted 180 degrees without even trying to do that
>>>>intentionally, whereas you spent years honing that shifty obscurantism
>>>>of yours to the point that somebody like Searle had to ask Foucault to
>>>>confirm his suspicion that you really were a doubletalking arsehole!
>>>>
>>>>Roll over in your coffin and weep, Derrida, 'cause you probably didn't
>>>>have to work that hard! (Or did they cremate you instead? Do French
>>>>marxists do that with their celebrities, rather than preserving them
>>>>like showcase pickles at an old Ruskie exhibit?)
>>>>
>>>>Sorry for the outburst. Just had to get that jab in at the
>>>>s_p_e_c_t_r_e. Carry on with the love-rift between USA and those
>>>>o_t_h_e_r English language typers.
>>>
>>> I wasn't disagreeing with your last paragraph at all.But if you're
>>
>>
>>I wasn't referring to that. Your response "sounded" as if you had
>>taken me to be anti-American. Quite irrelevent either way, as I was
>>exaggerating and being half tongue-in-cheek until that Hegel essay
>>(which was intended to caution us all about classifying the USA or any
>>nation / continent under a sole category, too much). I don't or
>>shouldn't expect anyone to interpret me well when I dive-in with only
>>a sub-serious attitude about a thread. That's why I just indirectly
>>mentioned it in the last post rather than having a hissy-fit.
>
>
>>> blaming the "Caucasian menace" for over-abstract philosophizing, the
>>> blame should go to those who choose to believe it, and that would
>>> include some very sinister Asian dictators. Fortunately, their evil
>>> never spreads too far beyond the borders of their respective
>>> countries, they are too self-absorbed to engage in world domination
>>> games.
>>>
>>
>>
>>I was referring to or playing on any self-hating whites and (possibly)
>>non-whites with an historical grudge who might view caucasians as a
>>menace. Again, much exaggeration inspired by some past newspaper
>>columns where the authors bemoaned that America and Europe would be
>>drifting even more culturally and ideologically apart due to increases
>>of non-white population, religious fundamentalism and etc (regarding
>>the former). Thus, another (exaggerated) reason for Europeans to be
>>afraid of America in the future. In actuality, Europe probably has an
>>ethnic boom of its own in the form of Islamic culture and etc that
>>could transform it (and I've read BBC articles about creationism and
>>ID advancing in the UK; pot calling the kettle black).
>
> You do realize that "and etc" is redundant, right?
>
Short Version: You didn't place a space between the period and the
"But" in "I wasn't disagreeing with your last paragraph at all.But if
you're____"
Long Version: When it reached the point that English writers even
started abbreviating some phrases from latin and still "living"
languages, it should have at least been a clue to grammatical
authorities then that those phrases were being seized as symbols for
ideas as much as indulgence in the pomp of abruptly switching
languages in a sentence. Yet this gastrointestinally obstructed
establishment is phobic toward the option of "et cetera" being a
symbol of the idea of "and so forth" or more literally "and other
things". We are to pretend to be oblivious to the sudden transition to
latin and continue reading a sentence as if it was being completely
expressed in uninterrupted English rather our having collided against
the symbol of an idea.
Thus, if one utters a typical "I went to town, bought a clock and (AND
participated in or enacted this idea of *and other things*) etc" --
then one is promptly gibed by the rural cognoscenti ("Gawd, you must
be a crude city-slicker!"). However, this is the very incentive for
doing it. A defiant act of pissing in the eyes of either tyrannical
authority or haut monde, of watching (in imagination at least) the
members of that clandestine cabal or elite-fashion sect clutching
their ocular orbs in agony as they writhe on the ground.
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