On Aug 30, 4:53Â am, Hardpan
yahoo.com> wrote:> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:33:29 -0700 (PDT), turtoni
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fastmail.net> wrote:>>On Aug 27, 2:51Â am, Hardpan
yahoo.com> wrote:>>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:18:46 -0700 (PDT), turtoni
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>>>>On Aug 27, 12:56Â am, Hardpan
yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:21:36 -0700 (PDT), turtoni
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fastmail.net> wrote:>>>>>>On Aug 26, 5:26Â pm, "jjs" wrote:
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>>>>>>>>"WASHINGTON —  The Census Bureau reports that the number of people
>>>>>>>>lacking health insurance dropped by more than 1 million in 2007, the
>>>>>>>>first annual decline since the Bush administration took office.
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>>>>>>> Might the decrease be accounted for by increased mortality?
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>>>>>>This year life expectancy in the USA has increased to 79.2
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>>>>> There are lots of studies claiming the exact opposite.
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>>>>>>You'll have to try harder.
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>>>>>>And as we all know people without health insurance are just left to
>>>>>>die like dogs on the streets in the USA.
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>>>>> Oh, sure you can get healthcare by walking into any ER.
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>>>>> But if you have any money to pay , they will send their dogs out to
>>>>> collect. Many have committed suicide after they saw what they were
>>>>> charged for a procedure like an appendix operation, with no healthcare
>>>>> plan. The hospital increase the cost to the non-insured on top of that
>>>>> amount, as the HMO's negotiate a set price, as well as paying for a
>>>>> portion of the cost.
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>>>>>>And what's up with Medicare?
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>>>>>>Let's hope they increase the taxes and we get more government workers.
>>>>>>heh.
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>>>>> Unlikely to happen.
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>>>>>>The unemployment rate in Germany and France for example is something
>>>>>>to aim for, right? ;-)
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>>>>> At least in those countries they have universal healthcare to take
>>>>> care of their citizens, working or not. Here you either swim or sink
>>>>> and die, trying to make it with no help.
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>>>>> And you want to call that "civilization"?
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>>>>> America is so far from civilized its not a joke. Of course we had no
>>>>> problems killing native Americans and keeping slaves handy so it is to
>>>>> be expected that people here are semi-barbaric, at the very least.
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>>>>Move to Canada?
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>>> If I could move there, I would have already.
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>>> The America I presently reside in is full of idiots that cannot think
>>> for themselves and allow our government to run amok in Iraq and
>>> elsewhere, spending our money on killing people they don't like .
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>>>>I think their unemployment rate is 15%%? The worst it's ever been in
>>>>decades.
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>>> Well, despite what the news reports here claim about a 5%% unemployment
>>> rate it is closer to 10 percent and many of those jobs are minimum
>>> wage slave work. In lots of agricultural regions the UR soars to 25%%
>>> unemployment when the harvest season ends. I can handle 15%%.
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>>>>"Discussions on anti-Americanism have in most cases lacked a precise
>>>>definition of what the sentiment entails, which has led to the term
>>>>being used broadly and in an impressionistic manner, resulting in an
>>>>incoherent nature in the many expressions described as anti-American."
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>>>>I'm already paying a huge amount of money in taxes. In the UK there's
>>>>talk that'll we'll be introducing another burden on the tax payer to
>>>>cover the costs of the medical expensive.
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>>> Well, here in the US, if you don't have insurance your tax-rates may
>>> be lower, but should you become ill or injured, your medical bills
>>> will make you taxes look pretty insignificant. If you have a good
>>> credit rating, it will be gone with the wind as well, if you don't
>>> pony up the money.
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>>> In America, having good credit is so important that many employers,
>>> will run a credit rating on a prospect, instead of a background check.
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>>>>What's the incentive to work hard to get your medical insurance? Why
>>>>not just sit at home and get a hand out? That would seem to be
>>>>natural, right?
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>>> Unless you are pregnant female, handouts in the USA are not all that
>>> easy to obtain, particularly since the Ronald Reagan era when the
>>> Lyndon Johnson "great society" programs were done away with.
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>>> If you are a male here you can easily become homeless and die in the
>>> streets of America, no one caring one bit whatsoever. Such is life in
>>> the USof A for the less fortunate and the unlucky here these days.
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>>You seem pretty literate.
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> No thanks to the public schools, in my case.
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> I could read, write and do basic mathematics before I entered the US
> public school systems they send the masses to.
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> My late mother taught me well before those sick pieces of filth
> running the insane school asylums got their hands on me.
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>>Obviously a whiner.
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> Oh yes, and a sniveler too, right? Â
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>>I've been all over the place.
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> Which means what exactly? Â
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> Are you a mind-reader, per chance?
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> FWIW, I haven't been a "homebody" for most of my life, if that's
> what you are referring to.
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>>From the top to the bottom. And from the bottom to the top.
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> Whatever that means.
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>>Discussing the details and intricacies of social welfare with you
>>doesn't really turn me on.
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> Fine by me if you don't want to discuss it. Its plain to see that you
> have long since run out of ammo, pal.
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>>The USA has it pretty good.
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> Really? You haven't been looking around to hard, have you?
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> Lots of people who were doing fair a few years ago now have no jobs,
> no homes, and are not eating too well these days either.
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> Remind you of US history, just a wee bit, does it?
