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>turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:>>On Aug 27, 12:56=A0am, Hardpan
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>>>>On Aug 26, 5:26=A0pm, "jjs" wrote:
>>>>> "turtoni"
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>>> At least in those countries they have universal healthcare to take
>>> care of their citizens, working or not. Here you either swim or sink
>>> and die, trying to make it with no help.
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>>> And you want to call that "civilization"?
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>>> America is so far from civilized its not a joke. Of course we had no
>>> problems killing native Americans and keeping slaves handy so it is to
>>> be expected that people here are semi-barbaric, at the very least.
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>>Move to Canada?
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>>I think their unemployment rate is 15%%? The worst it's ever been in
>>decades.
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>>"Discussions on anti-Americanism have in most cases lacked a precise
>>definition of what the sentiment entails, which has led to the term
>>being used broadly and in an impressionistic manner, resulting in an
>>incoherent nature in the many expressions described as anti-American."
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>>I'm already paying a huge amount of money in taxes. In the UK there's
>>talk that'll we'll be introducing another burden on the tax payer to
>>cover the costs of the medical expensive.
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>There is no way that one can have the type of medical coverage
>which I would consider reasonable. Neither the money nor the
>personnel are there. One cannot repeal the laws of nature.
No one is talking about building a "bionic man" here. Would be nice
to have an appendix removed without paying $30,000. dollars though.
>>What's the incentive to work hard to get your medical insurance? Why
>>not just sit at home and get a hand out? That would seem to be
>>natural, right?
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>Most people are Marxist when it comes to what they do not have.
The problem is that in other western countries, they have basic
healthcare needs ready when they are ill, at any age.
In the US only those who can afford it or have a good job, have
affordable healthcare. The rest do not.
>The present plans are prepaid medicine, not insurance.
>Insurance should be for rare events; you pay more than the
>"average" to be able to handle catastrophies. This is what
>medical insurance should be.
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>Even Medicare is welfare, in that what one gets our has no
>relation to what one has put in.
But Americans have to wait 65 years to began to be paid for it.
In the meantime the system is counting on lots of people less
then 65 dying, else it would go broke.
>Universal healthcare MUST result in rationing by government
>bureaucrats; civil servants are neither.
Healthcare *is* rationed now in the US. If you don't have the job or
the $$$ you either don't get any care at all or you can go broke
paying for it.
Even then the healthplans they have now, are watered down from what
they were just a few years ago. And they cost 30 percent more at the
least, for the most similar plan that you _had_before.
Yes, thats right. You pay more and more each year for healthcare
no matter what plan you have, if you have one, while those filthy
lying bastards in D.C. pay nothing at all, year after year.
Hell, we even get to hear all about the pResident getting a
rectal colonoscopy here in the USA, all paid for by the
taxpayers here in the land of the slaves, and home of
the knaves.
Ah, home sweet home, that's the polished-up "new" America for you!
