On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:18:46 -0700 (PDT), turtoni
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>On Aug 27, 12:56Â am, Hardpan
yahoo.com> wrote:>> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:21:36 -0700 (PDT), turtoni
>>
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fastmail.net> wrote:>>>On Aug 26, 5:26Â pm, "jjs" wrote:
>>>> "turtoni"
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>>>>>"WASHINGTON —  The Census Bureau reports that the number of people
>>>>>lacking health insurance dropped by more than 1 million in 2007, the
>>>>>first annual decline since the Bush administration took office.
>>
>>>> Might the decrease be accounted for by increased mortality?
>>
>>>This year life expectancy in the USA has increased to 79.2
>>
>> There are lots of studies claiming the exact opposite.
>>
>>>You'll have to try harder.
>>
>>>And as we all know people without health insurance are just left to
>>>die like dogs on the streets in the USA.
>>
>> Oh, sure you can get healthcare by walking into any ER.
>>
>> But if you have any money to pay , they will send their dogs out to
>> collect. Many have committed suicide after they saw what they were
>> charged for a procedure like an appendix operation, with no healthcare
>> plan. The hospital increase the cost to the non-insured on top of that
>> amount, as the HMO's negotiate a set price, as well as paying for a
>> portion of the cost.
>>
>>>And what's up with Medicare?
>>
>>>Let's hope they increase the taxes and we get more government workers.
>>>heh.
>>
>> Unlikely to happen.
>>
>>>The unemployment rate in Germany and France for example is something
>>>to aim for, right? ;-)
>>
>> At least in those countries they have universal healthcare to take
>> care of their citizens, working or not. Here you either swim or sink
>> and die, trying to make it with no help.
>>
>> And you want to call that "civilization"?
>>
>> America is so far from civilized its not a joke. Of course we had no
>> problems killing native Americans and keeping slaves handy so it is to
>> be expected that people here are semi-barbaric, at the very least.
>
>Move to Canada?
If I could move there, I would have already.
The America I presently reside in is full of idiots that cannot think
for themselves and allow our government to run amok in Iraq and
elsewhere, spending our money on killing people they don't like .
>I think their unemployment rate is 15%%? The worst it's ever been in
>decades.
Well, despite what the news reports here claim about a 5%% unemployment
rate it is closer to 10 percent and many of those jobs are minimum
wage slave work. In lots of agricultural regions the UR soars to 25%%
unemployment when the harvest season ends. I can handle 15%%.
>"Discussions on anti-Americanism have in most cases lacked a precise
>definition of what the sentiment entails, which has led to the term
>being used broadly and in an impressionistic manner, resulting in an
>incoherent nature in the many expressions described as anti-American."
>
>I'm already paying a huge amount of money in taxes. In the UK there's
>talk that'll we'll be introducing another burden on the tax payer to
>cover the costs of the medical expensive.
Well, here in the US, if you don't have insurance your tax-rates may
be lower, but should you become ill or injured, your medical bills
will make you taxes look pretty insignificant. If you have a good
credit rating, it will be gone with the wind as well, if you don't
pony up the money.
In America, having good credit is so important that many employers,
will run a credit rating on a prospect, instead of a background check.
>What's the incentive to work hard to get your medical insurance? Why
>not just sit at home and get a hand out? That would seem to be
>natural, right?
Unless you are pregnant female, handouts in the USA are not all that
easy to obtain, particularly since the Ronald Reagan era when the
Lyndon Johnson "great society" programs were done away with.
If you are a male here you can easily become homeless and die in the
streets of America, no one caring one bit whatsoever. Such is life in
the USof A for the less fortunate and the unlucky here these days.
