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On Uncertainty Avoidance         


Author: Sir Frederick
Date: May 8, 2008 17:37

http://www.space.com/searchforlife/080508-seti-why-dont.html
Why Don't They Do SETI?

By Seth Shostak
SETI Institute
posted: 08 May 2008
12:30 am ET

A widespread and popular impression of SETI is that it's a worldwide enterprise. Well, it's not, and there's something modestly
puzzling in that.

The idea of communicating between worlds is at least 150 years old. Victorian scientists Karl Friedrich Gauss and Joseph von Littrow
are both reputed to have concocted schemes to establish rapport with Moon-men or Martians by signaling them with light. Gauss was a
German, and von Littrow was Austrian. But within a century, the important ideas about getting in touch with aliens were coming from
the western side of the Atlantic. The fundamental concepts for radio SETI were first incubated and hatched in America.

For three decades following Frank Drake's first modern SETI experiment in 1960, the American efforts had a strong and fertile
counterpart in the Soviet Union. The Soviet SETI work was frequently brilliant, occasionally nutty, and pursued by researchers who
were active and enthused.

That all ended with the Soviet Union's collapse. And for the last two decades, the large majority of all SETI effort has taken place
in the U.S. Yes, there have been commendable experiments in Australia, Argentina, India, and Italy. But only the Italians are active
today.

So what's the story? Why is SETI nearly exclusively an American game?
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Re: On Uncertainty Avoidance         


Author: Xan
Date: May 8, 2008 18:03

Humans are too stupid to realize that any aliens they make contact with
would be more advance and more intelligent than they.
Thus it is more a case of "Human Avoidance" rather than "Uncertainty
Avoidance".
There is nothing any self respecting alien could learn from humans - but
indeed much humans could learn from them.
But why would any self respecting aliens want to have anything to do with
humans?
You cannot be trusted. You lie. You steal. You are violent. You are
hypocrites. You are still animals and fornicate. You are primitive with your
pollution making machinery. You are stupid beyond measure. You have a
hubris that makes you a laughing stock. You are mean. Cruel. Your Laws
are ridiculous and unjust. Your wars fought with cowardice and without
honour. You are mercenary...
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Re: On Uncertainty Avoidance         


Author: Ed
Date: May 8, 2008 20:17

On May 8, 8:37 pm, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:
> http://www.space.com/searchforlife/080508-seti-why-dont.html
> Why Don't They Do SETI?
>
> By Seth Shostak
> SETI Institute
> posted: 08 May 2008
> 12:30 am ET
>
> A widespread and popular impression of SETI is that it's a worldwide enterprise. Well, it's not, and there's something modestly
> puzzling in that.
>
> The idea of communicating between worlds is at least 150 years old. Victorian scientists Karl Friedrich Gauss and Joseph von Littrow
> are both reputed to have concocted schemes to establish rapport with Moon-men or Martians by signaling them with light. Gauss was a
> German, and von Littrow was Austrian. But within a century, the important ideas about getting in touch with aliens were coming from
> the western side of the Atlantic. The fundamental concepts for radio SETI were first incubated and hatched in America.
>
> For three decades following Frank Drake's first modern SETI experiment in 1960, the American efforts had a strong and fertile
> counterpart in the Soviet Union. The Soviet SETI work was frequently brilliant, occasionally nutty, and pursued by researchers who
> were active and enthused. ...
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Re: On Uncertainty Avoidance         


Author: Immortalist
Date: May 8, 2008 23:00

On May 8, 5:37 pm, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:
> http://www.space.com/searchforlife/080508-seti-why-dont.html
> Why Don't They Do SETI?
>
> By Seth Shostak
> SETI Institute
> posted: 08 May 2008
> 12:30 am ET
>
> A widespread and popular impression of SETI is that it's a worldwide enterprise. Well, it's not, and there's something modestly
> puzzling in that.
>
> The idea of communicating between worlds is at least 150 years old. Victorian scientists Karl Friedrich Gauss and Joseph von Littrow
> are both reputed to have concocted schemes to establish rapport with Moon-men or Martians by signaling them with light. Gauss was a
> German, and von Littrow was Austrian. But within a century, the important ideas about getting in touch with aliens were coming from
> the western side of the Atlantic. The fundamental concepts for radio SETI were first incubated and hatched in America.
>
> For three decades following Frank Drake's first modern SETI experiment in 1960, the American efforts had a strong and fertile
> counterpart in the Soviet Union. The Soviet SETI work was frequently brilliant, occasionally nutty, and pursued by researchers who
> were active and enthused. ...
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Re: On Uncertainty Avoidance         


Author: bigfletch8
Date: May 9, 2008 01:52

On May 9, 11:03 am, "Xan" home.com> wrote:
> Humans are too stupid to realize that any aliens they make contact with
> would be more advance and more intelligent than they.
> Thus it is more a case of "Human Avoidance" rather than "Uncertainty
> Avoidance".
> There is nothing any self respecting alien could learn from humans - but
> indeed much humans could learn from them.
> But why would any self respecting aliens want to have anything to do with
> humans?
> You cannot be trusted.  You lie.  You steal.  You are violent.  You are
> hypocrites. You are still animals and fornicate. You are primitive with your
> pollution making machinery.  You are stupid beyond measure.  You have a
> hubris that makes you a laughing stock.  You are mean.  Cruel.   Your Laws
> are ridiculous and unjust.  Your wars fought with cowardice and without
> honour.  You are mercenary and a host of other peculiar characteristics that
> make up the human species.
> SURELY you can appreciate than any aliens would run a mile rather than make
> contact?
> Or are you seriously too stupid to realize this?
> Xan ...
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Author: bigfletch8
Date: May 9, 2008 01:54

On May 9, 1:17 pm, Ed earthlink.net> wrote:
> On May 8, 8:37 pm, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> By Seth Shostak
>> SETI Institute
>> posted: 08 May 2008
>> 12:30 am ET
>
>> A widespread and popular impression of SETI is that it's a worldwide enterprise. Well, it's not, and there's something modestly
>> puzzling in that.
>
>> The idea of communicating between worlds is at least 150 years old. Victorian scientists Karl Friedrich Gauss and Joseph von Littrow
>> are both reputed to have concocted schemes to establish rapport with Moon-men or Martians by signaling them with light. Gauss was a ...
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Re: On Uncertainty Avoidance         


Author: ZerkonX
Date: May 9, 2008 05:17

On Thu, 08 May 2008 17:37:20 -0700, Sir Frederick wrote:
> Why Don't They Do SETI?

Imagine what would happen, what would really happen if anything came of
this program. Would anyone but a very few even know about it?

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