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Author: PubliusPublius Date: Jul 27, 2008 12:47
ZerkonX X.net> wrote in news:pan.2008.07.27.15.00.02@X.net:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:15:49 -0500, Publius wrote:
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>> the Organic Fallacy,
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> could you explain this term a little? I can not find a good definition
> for this.
The Organic Fallacy is a fallacy often encountered in social and political
commentary which involves imputing to societies or other collections of
people properties which are only defined for or determinable for the people
individually. It is a species of the Fallacy of Composition, which involves
an invalid inference regarding a whole from propositions about some or all
of its parts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition
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Author: knucmoknucmo Date: Jul 27, 2008 14:23
On 27 Jul, 20:47, Publius nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
> The Organic Fallacy can always be resolved by demanding that propositions
> which impute various properties of persons to collections be translated
> into propositions about the actual persons making up the collection, whose
> truth can then be evaluated by examination of the persons thus specified.
And that would take a long time, but I guess that is what you are
getting at....
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: Jul 27, 2008 16:23
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:47:28 -0500, Publius nospam.comcast.net>
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>ZerkonX X.net> wrote in news:pan.2008.07.27.15.00.02@X.net:
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:15:49 -0500, Publius wrote:
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>>> the Organic Fallacy,
>>
>> could you explain this term a little? I can not...
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Author: bigfletch8bigfletch8 Date: Jul 27, 2008 16:24
On Jul 28, 5:47 am, Publius nospam.comcast.net> wrote:> ZerkonX X.net> wrote innews:pan.2008.07.27.15.00.02@X.net:
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:15:49 -0500, Publius wrote:
>
>>> the Organic Fallacy,
>
>> could you explain this term a little? I can not find a good definition
>> for this.
>
> The Organic Fallacy is a fallacy often encountered in social and political
> commentary which involves imputing to societies or other collections of
> people properties which are only defined for or determinable for the people
> individually. It is a species of the Fallacy of Composition, which involves
> an invalid inference regarding a whole from propositions about some or all
> of its parts.
Not a fallacy at all. There is a group entity, as well the individual,
the interaction of which, exists and is dynamic.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jul 27, 2008 22:01
On Jul 27, 4:24 pm, "bigflet...@ gmail.com" gmail.com>
wrote:> On Jul 28, 5:47 am, Publius nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>>> ZerkonX X.net> wrote innews:pan.2008.07.27.15.00.02@X.net:>
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:15:49 -0500, Publius wrote:
>
>>>> the Organic Fallacy,
>
>>> could you explain this term a little? I can not find a good definition
>>> for this.
>
>> The Organic Fallacy is a fallacy often encountered in social and political
>> commentary which involves imputing to societies or other collections of
>> people properties which are only defined for or determinable for the people
>> individually. It is a species of the Fallacy of Composition, which involves
>> an invalid inference regarding a whole from propositions about some or all
>> of its parts.
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Author: tgtg Date: Jul 28, 2008 02:19
On Jul 27, 7:24 pm, "bigflet...@ gmail.com" gmail.com>
wrote:> On Jul 28, 5:47 am, Publius nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>>> ZerkonX X.net> wrote innews:pan.2008.07.27.15.00.02@X.net:>
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:15:49 -0500, Publius wrote:
>
>>>> the Organic Fallacy,
>
>>> could you explain this term a little? I can not find a good definition
>>> for this.
>
>> The Organic Fallacy is a fallacy often encountered in social and political
>> commentary which involves imputing to societies or other collections of
>> people properties which are only defined for or determinable for the people
>> individually. It is a species of the Fallacy of Composition, which involves
>> an invalid inference regarding a whole from propositions about some or all
>> of its parts.
> ...
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Author: chazwinchazwin Date: Jul 28, 2008 03:47
On Jul 28, 10:19 am, tg earthlink.net> wrote:> On Jul 27, 7:24 pm, "bigflet...@ gmail.com" gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>>> On Jul 28, 5:47 am, Publius nospam.comcast.net> wrote:>
>>> ZerkonX X.net> wrote innews:pan.2008.07.27.15.00.02@X.net:>
>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:15:49 -0500, Publius wrote:
>
>>>>> the Organic Fallacy,
>
>>>> could you explain this term a little? I can not find a good definition
>>>> for this.
>
>>> The Organic Fallacy is a fallacy often encountered in social and political
>>> commentary which involves imputing to societies or other collections of
>>> people properties which are only defined for or determinable for the people ...
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Author: tgtg Date: Jul 28, 2008 04:55
On Jul 28, 6:47 am, chazwin yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jul 28, 10:19 am, tg earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>> On Jul 27, 7:24 pm, "bigflet...@ gmail.com" gmail.com>
>> wrote:>
>>> On Jul 28, 5:47 am, Publius nospam.comcast.net> wrote:>
>>>> ZerkonX X.net> wrote innews:pan.2008.07.27.15.00.02@X.net:>
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:15:49 -0500, Publius wrote:
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>>>>>> the Organic Fallacy,
>
>>>>> could you explain this term a little? I can not find a good definition
>>>>> for this.
>
>>>> The Organic Fallacy is a fallacy often encountered in social and political ...
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Jul 28, 2008 07:06
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:47:28 -0500, Publius wrote:
> The Organic Fallacy transforms some collection of persons into a kind of
> superperson, or "uberperson," i.e., it misconstrues a collection of
> organisms as being itself some sort of larger organism. Then various
> properties of persons are imputed to this uberperson. Often the
> uberperson, e.g., a society, is conceived to be morally or ontologically
> superior to the lesser persons who comprise it; that it has interests
> and goals which override or transcend those of its constituent persons,
> who are then presumed to owe obeisance, fealty, piety, or other varities
> of deference or subservience to the uberperson.
So this is playing fast and loose with metaphor.
"We are going to attack Saddam" is a metaphor and organic fallacy for "We
are going to attack Iraq"?
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Author: bigfletch8bigfletch8 Date: Jul 28, 2008 08:56
On Jul 29, 12:06 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:47:28 -0500, Publius wrote:
>> The Organic Fallacy transforms some collection of persons into a kind of
>> superperson, or "uberperson," i.e., it misconstrues a collection of
>> organisms as being itself some sort of larger organism. Then various
>> properties of persons are imputed to this uberperson. Often the
>> uberperson, e.g., a society, is conceived to be morally or ontologically
>> superior to the lesser persons who comprise it; that it has interests
>> and goals which override or transcend those of its constituent persons,
>> who are then presumed to owe obeisance, fealty, piety, or other varities
>> of deference or subservience to the uberperson.
>
> So this is playing fast and loose with metaphor....
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