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Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: Shrikeback
Date: Jul 28, 2008 22:52

On Jul 28, 4:00 pm, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:
> What we are, with a bunch of charade like self stories
> automatically practiced. These stories are practiced at a
> very low primitive level in our brain. Hence they are treated
> as real, as are qualia.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie
>
> Thus, giving a machine a self, with "conscious" experiences
> and the hubris to claim selfhood, is a matter of brain structure detail.
> --
> Frederick Martin McNeill
> Poway, California, United States of America
> mmcne...@fuzzysys.com
> ******************************************
> "I never cease being dumbfounded by the unbelievable things people believe."
> - Leo Rosten
> ******************************************

If experience, consciousness, and qualia are illusions, you are
still stuck with the problem of who it is that is experiencing these
illusions. That is, the hard problem doesn't disappear by calling
experience an illusion. Also, in any case, if experience, which is
the source of our belief that there is a physical reality, is phony,
wouldn't physical reality and brain structure details also
potentially
be phony?

Grandmaster Turing dreamed he was a machine, and when he
awoke, he wasn't sure if he was Turing dreaming he was a machine,
or a machine dreaming he was Turing.

-The Tao of Programming
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