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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: Aug 1, 2008 02:55
http://governmentpirates.com/
Real estate developer and property rights expert Don Corace offers a
ground-breaking, in-depth look at eminent domain abuse and other government
regulations that strangle the rights of property owners throughout America.
Government Pirates is filled with shocking stories of corrupt politicians,
activist judges, entrenched bureaucrats, greedy developers, NIMBY (Not-In-My
Backyard) activists, and environmental extremists who conspire to seize property
and extort money and land in return for permits. Corace provides the hard facts
about individual rights and offers invaluable advice for those whose property
may be in danger.
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Author: toolytooly Date: Aug 1, 2008 16:05
"Sir Frederick" fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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> http://governmentpirates.com/
> Real estate developer and property rights expert Don Corace offers a
> ground-breaking, in-depth look at eminent domain abuse and other
> government
> regulations that strangle the rights of property owners throughout
> America.
> Government Pirates is filled with shocking stories of corrupt politicians,
> activist judges, entrenched bureaucrats, greedy developers, NIMBY
> (Not-In-My
> Backyard) activists, and environmental extremists who conspire to seize
> property
> and extort money and land in return for permits. Corace provides the hard
> facts
> about individual rights and offers invaluable advice for those whose
> property
> may be in danger...
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Author: PubliusPublius Date: Aug 2, 2008 17:11
> This supreme court decision was perhaps one of the darkest hours in
> our nation's history. Private property rights is the conerstone of a
> free society, where 'fat cats' cannot gobble the individual citizen
> up. No longer are we protected.
I'm surprised you're surprised, and apparently dismayed, by the Kelo
decision, tooly. The Court merely ruled that gummints could act in the
"public interest," and define what constituted the "public interest."
You're a firm believer in the "public interest," aren't you?
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Author: toolytooly Date: Aug 3, 2008 15:35
"Publius" nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> This supreme court decision was perhaps one of the darkest hours in
>> our nation's history. Private property rights is the conerstone of a
>> free society, where 'fat cats' cannot gobble the individual citizen
>> up. No longer are we protected.
>
> I'm surprised you're surprised, and apparently dismayed, by the Kelo
> decision, tooly. The Court merely ruled that gummints could act in the
> "public interest," and define what constituted the "public interest."
>
> You're a firm believer in the "public interest," aren't you?
>
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Author: PubliusPublius Date: Aug 3, 2008 18:30
>> You're a firm believer in the "public interest," aren't you?
> "Gummints" are entities that can be corrupted like anything else, and
> the people should always be on guard and protect those 'protections'
> that save us from bad government.
How do we decide which is "bad gummint" and which is "good gummint"?
>'Gummints' in the modern era for
> example, can become talking heads of the rich and powerful....those
> who might want your and my land.
Ah, yes. "Good gummint" is gummint that works for the benefit of us "good
guys," "bad gummint" is one that works for the benefit of those "bad guys."
The trouble is, each of those guys thinks of himself as the "good guy" and
considers his own interest to be the "public interest," and any interests
contrary to his own to be "selfish personal interests," "greed," etc.
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Author: Fred WeissFred Weiss Date: Aug 4, 2008 08:10
On Aug 3, 9:30 pm, Publius nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>>> You're a firm believer in the "public interest," aren't you?
>> "Gummints" are entities that can be corrupted like anything else, and
>> the people should always be on guard and protect those 'protections'
>> that save us from bad government.
>
> How do we decide which is "bad gummint" and which is "good gummint"?
>
>>'Gummints' in the modern era for
>> example, can become talking heads of the rich and powerful....those
>> who might want your and my land.
>
> Ah, yes. "Good gummint" is gummint that works for the benefit of us "good
> guys," "bad gummint" is one that works for the benefit of those "bad guys."
>
> The trouble is, each of those guys thinks of himself as the "good guy" and
> considers his own interest to be the "public interest," and any interests
> contrary to his own to be "selfish personal interests," "greed," etc. ...
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Author: toolytooly Date: Aug 7, 2008 01:12
> Allowing gummints to seize the property of individuals in pursuit of the
> "public interest" in creating jobs, attracting development, enlarging the
> tax base, etc., is no different from forbidding farmers to farm their land
> in pursuit of the "public interest" in preserving wetlands, protecting
> wildlife habitat, etc., forbidding a property owner to demolish an
> unprofitable building pursuant to a "public interest" in historic
> preservation, heritage protection, etc., >
This is the crux of your post I think and I strongly disagree. Siezing
land for sake of hiways, schools, parks...for public use, is unfortunate,
but ncessary. Siezing land to hand over to other private...
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Author: toolytooly Date: Aug 7, 2008 08:02
>
>> Allowing gummints to seize the property of individuals in pursuit of the
>> "public interest" in creating jobs, attracting development, enlarging the
>> tax base, etc., is no different from forbidding farmers to farm their
>> land
>> in pursuit of the "public interest" in preserving wetlands, protecting
>> wildlife habitat, etc., forbidding a property owner to demolish an
>> unprofitable building pursuant to a "public interest" in historic
>> preservation, heritage protection, etc., >
>
> This is the crux of your post I think and I strongly disagree. Siezing
> land for sake of hiways, schools, parks...for public use, is unfortunate,
> but ncessary. Siezing land to hand over to other private parties is
> treasonous to our freedom. On the former, government is acting in public
> interest; on the latter, they are acting a brokers on the free market with
> undue power of that siezure. Government 'OF and BY the people' should
> have no other justification to action except to serve. Creating new tax
> revenue is not servitude, but simply a justification to it's own survival ...
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Author: PubliusPublius Date: Aug 7, 2008 19:14
> This sounds like you are against the Kelo vs New London Supreme court
> decision?
> Publius was trying to support it.
Egads no.
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Aug 7, 2008 19:38
On Aug 3, 9:30 pm, Publius nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>>> You're a firm believer in the "public interest," aren't you?
>> "Gummints" are entities that can be corrupted like anything else, and
>> the people should always be on guard and protect those 'protections'
>> that save us from bad government.
>
> How do we decide which is "bad gummint" and which is "good gummint"?
>
>>'Gummints' in the modern era for
>> example, can become talking heads of the rich and powerful....those
>> who might want your and my land.
>
> Ah, yes. "Good gummint" is gummint that works for the benefit of us "good
> guys," "bad gummint" is one that works for the benefit of those "bad guys."
>
> The trouble is, each of those guys thinks of himself as the "good guy" and
> considers his own interest to be the "public interest," and any interests
> contrary to his own to be "selfish personal interests," "greed," etc. ...
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