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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Aug 11, 2008 07:43
The babbits are seemingly winning the
propaganda gold metal, and laughing & tut tutting at their foolish
opponents dilemma.
FACT: The overwhelming mass of Americans is being victimized by both
parties' shitty energy
politics since 1973 (except Jimmy Carter's), and imho will go
Republican again with 3--5 dollar
gasolene and diesel.
This is a no brainer, as a James Carville would admit over dinner.
Dopes anybody really think truck jockeys, tourist businesses,
commuters etal, and families will vote for the Democrats who are
currently seemed to be inhibiting oil supply?
McCain has machiavellianingly quickly flip-flopped on Anwar and off-
shore drilling
Obama has tried to make the decision ambiguouus, which (imho) is a
loser.
Nancy Pelosi has been out-politiked, and she knows it.
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Aug 11, 2008 09:19
The GOP is now bottom fishing for the ignorant poor claiming that it's
possible to drill our way out of peak oil.
The question is, will that work as well politically as "tough on
crime" or "get rich quick with the Gipster?"
The problem is Repugs will never have anything to point to as a
success in the very short term and short term is what matters most in
any GOP strategy.
It'll take one or 2 decades to bring the oil on line and every last
Repug politician knows this.
What will be Repug talking points in the meantime as oil prices
continue to spiral $6, $10, $15/gallon?
"Relief will be on the way in 2 decades?"
To be sure fundies will wait forever for Repugs to overturn Roe v
Wade, but waiting for the gusher hardly sounds like the type of action
plan that appeals to most Americans.
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Aug 11, 2008 11:54
On Aug 11, 12:19 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:> The GOP is now bottom fishing for the ignorant poor claiming that it's
> possible to drill our way out of peak oil.
>
> The question is, will that work as well politically as "tough on
> crime" or "get rich quick with the Gipster?"
>
> The problem is Repugs will never have anything to point to as a
> success in the very short term and short term is what matters most in
> any GOP strategy.
>
> It'll take one or 2 decades to bring the oil on line and every last
> Repug politician knows this.
>
> What will be Repug talking points in the meantime as oil prices
> continue to spiral $6, $10, $15/gallon?
>
> "Relief will be on the way in 2 decades?"
>
> To be sure fundies will wait forever for Repugs to overturn Roe v ...
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Author: graverobber_69graverobber_69 Date: Aug 11, 2008 12:04
On Aug 11, 2:54 pm, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:> On Aug 11, 12:19 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
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>>> The GOP is now bottom fishing for the ignorant poor claiming that it's
>> possible to drill our way out of peak oil.
>
>> The question is, will that work as well politically as "tough on
>> crime" or "get rich quick with the Gipster?"
>
>> The problem is Repugs will never have anything to point to as a
>> success in the very short term and short term is what matters most in
>> any GOP strategy.
>
>> It'll take one or 2 decades to bring the oil on line and every last
>> Repug politician knows this.
> ...
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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: Aug 11, 2008 12:28
> The GOP is now bottom fishing for the ignorant poor claiming that it's
> possible to drill our way out of peak oil.
It is really a simple issue. If you do not increase your domestic supply of
oil, you are more dependent on foriegn sources of oil. You folks on the
left keep telling us that we went to war with Iraq...
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Author: Rod SpeedRod Speed Date: Aug 11, 2008 13:04
Jerry Okamura hawaii.rr.com> wrote:>> The GOP is now bottom fishing for the ignorant poor claiming that
>> it's possible to drill our way out of peak oil.
>
> It is really a simple issue. If you do not increase your domestic
> supply of oil, you are more dependent on foriegn sources of oil. You
> folks on the left keep telling us that we went to war with Iraq,
> because of oil. You cannot have it both ways. If we produced more
> of our own oil, we would be less dependent on foriegn sources of oil,
> which means there is less of an incentive to go to war for oil. And
> it is not a matter of whether we are at a point of peak oil or we are
> not at a point of peak oil (which by the way is simply a guess,
> because no one can say how much oil there is left in the ground), it
> is a question of whether we should exploit the oil we know we have,
> or we do not exploit the oil we know we have.
>>
>> The question is, will that work as well politically as "tough on
>> crime" or "get rich quick with the Gipster?" ...
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Author: ShrikebackShrikeback Date: Aug 11, 2008 13:15
On Aug 11, 7:43 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:> The babbits are seemingly winning the
> propaganda gold metal, and laughing & tut tutting at their foolish
> opponents dilemma.
>
> FACT: The overwhelming mass of Americans is being victimized by both
> parties' shitty energy
> politics since 1973 (except Jimmy Carter's), and imho will go
> Republican again with 3--5 dollar
> gasolene and diesel.
>
> This is a no brainer, as a James Carville would admit over dinner.
>
> Dopes anybody really think truck jockeys, tourist businesses,
> commuters etal, and families will vote for the Democrats who are
> currently seemed to be inhibiting oil supply?
>
> McCain has machiavellianingly quickly flip-flopped on Anwar and off-
> shore drilling
> ...
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Author: ShrikebackShrikeback Date: Aug 11, 2008 13:19
On Aug 11, 11:54 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:> On Aug 11, 12:19 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
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>>> The GOP is now bottom fishing for the ignorant poor claiming that it's
>> possible to drill our way out of peak oil.
>
>> The question is, will that work as well politically as "tough on
>> crime" or "get rich quick with the Gipster?"
>
>> The problem is Repugs will never have anything to point to as a
>> success in the very short term and short term is what matters most in
>> any GOP strategy.
>
>> It'll take one or 2 decades to bring the oil on line and every last
>> Repug politician knows this.
> ...
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Author: Robert CohenRobert Cohen Date: Aug 11, 2008 16:30
On Aug 11, 4:15 pm, Shrikeb...@ gmail.com wrote: > On Aug 11, 7:43 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:
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>>> The babbits are seemingly winning the
>> propaganda gold metal, and laughing & tut tutting at their foolish
>> opponents dilemma.
>
>> FACT: The overwhelming mass of Americans is being victimized by both
>> parties' shitty energy
>> politics since 1973 (except Jimmy Carter's), and imho will go
>> Republican again with 3--5 dollar
>> gasolene and diesel.
>
>> This is a no brainer, as a James Carville would admit over dinner.
>
>> Dopes anybody really think truck jockeys, tourist businesses, ...
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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: Aug 11, 2008 17:07
> Jerry Okamura hawaii.rr.com> wrote:>>> The GOP is now bottom fishing for the ignorant poor claiming that
>>> it's possible to drill our way out of peak oil.
>>
>> It is really a simple issue. If you do not increase your domestic
>> supply of oil, you are more dependent on foriegn sources of oil. You
>> folks on the left keep telling us that we went to war with Iraq,
>> because of oil. You cannot have it both ways. If we produced more
>> of our own oil, we would be less dependent on foriegn sources of oil,
>> which means there is less of an incentive to go to war for oil. And
>> it is not a matter of whether we are at a point of peak oil or we are
>> not at a point of peak oil (which by the way is simply a guess,
>> because no one can say how much oil there is left in the ground), it
>> is a question of whether we should exploit the oil we know we have,
>> or we do not exploit the oil we know we have.
>>> ...
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