> On Aug 29, 1:45 am, "Sean"
blah.com> wrote:>> Hey brian,
>>
>> Hey Zinnic, when you first learned to read your first book at a toddler,
>> did
>> you leap to the immediate conclusion that you then an expert in English
>> Literature and the Human condition?
>
> Of course! Just like I now conclude that I am a world authority on
> Astrology and Numerology. Gee! Wickepedia is good! I am seriously
> considering giving up 'Alice in Wonder Land' as reference source for
> my 'deeper insights'. Let us say I have had an 'epiphany' just like
> like Brian had over that "arrogant sod" Dawkins.
>
>> One thing I'll give you is that you are humorous when you go hard and
>> start
>> spinning your wheels. ;-)
>
> Now come on Sean! How can one be humorous about 'Transessential
> Numbers' when our very lives depend on them. (forgive my spelling).
> Z
>
> PS. Send me your full name and birthdate in private and I will inform
> the public of something they do not know about you!
>
You're very funny and sometimes sound like a very witty stand up comic. ;-)
So if you're really happy being who you are, and living the life you live,
then by all means continue on accordingly. There are no mistakes. Life is
what you make it.
> .> "brian fletcher"
bigpond.net.au> wrote in message>>>> On Aug 26, 7:09 pm, "brian fletcher"
bigpond.net.au> wrote:>>>>> "zinnic"
gate.net> wrote in message>>
>>
>>>>>>I did. And its sooooo... Absolutely Amazing.
>>
>>>>>> How could they possibbly have known that I am affectionate,
>>>>>> brilliant,
>>>>>> courteous, , dependable, empathetic, friendly, generous, honorable,
>>>>>> informed, jovial, knowlegable, lovable, meriticious, nourishing,
>>>>>> open-
>>>>>> minded, perfect, qualified, rational, sensible, terrific,
>>>>>> unmatched,
>>>>>> vivacious, worthy, xpert, yoemanly and zestful.
>>>>>> How true and how fortunate I am to be a number SIX. I am a
>>>>>> believer!
>>
>>>>>> Oops! I really am innumerate. My number is not six!
>>
>>>>> So you have "a" number. Would that relate to your physical, emotional
>>>>> or
>>>>> mental faculty or sub catagories of each of those structures.
>>>>> ?.
>>
>>>>> Now you can go to psychology .com and illuminate them regarding silly
>>>>> things
>>>>> like type a/ and b/ personality. Wonder why they try to catagorise?
>>
>>>>> Just bored I guess.
>>
>>>>>> Oh no!
>>>>>> My correct number demonstrates that I am artificial, brutish,
>>>>>> cunning, ghastly, horrid, ... ?? Please Brian tell the numbers
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> it is not so! Any way now I KNOW this numerology stuff has
>>>>>> absolurtly no truth in it. So there!
>>
>>>>> So where? Typical cry of a believer.Believe me, I'm a Zinnic.
>>
>>>>> How easy it would be to disprove. Any references, other than your
>>>>> belief?
>>
>>>>> Now "knock out" the epistemological validating links to acupuncture
>>>>> and
>>>>> go
>>>>> for the double.
>>
>>>>> (You have ignored that point in the last 1/2 dozen communications)
>>
>>>>> I'm sure we will all then throw away our Pythagorean works (to say
>>>>> nothing
>>>>> of our first hand experiences), and remove acupuncture treatment from
>>>>> many
>>>>> of the private health funds, plus those "mysterious ancient meridian"
>>>>> charts.
>>
>>>>> It will be interesting to see if any others here look at that link.
>>
>>>>> For your further edification, the numeric symbols relating to human
>>>>> characteristics are as follows.
>>>>> Assertive,passive,creative,disciplined,freespirited,
>>>>> responsible,metaphysical,authoratative and altruistic. Nine in all.
>>
>>>>> Of course, each person has a unique combination of most of those
>>>>> traits,
>>>>> and
>>>>> what makes it even more interesting, is each has three phases.
>>>>> Positive,
>>>>> negative or neutral.
>>
>>>>> Some with the freedom nature, often trap themselves, so they can free
>>>>> themselves...and discover, in the process, their true nature.
>>
>>>>> A cursary looker could conclude for instance, a 'natural' very
>>>>> assertive
>>>>> natured person, is always becoming a victim.
>>
>>>>> Ever found your true creativity after spending time in a frustrated
>>>>> position.?
>>
>>>>> Back to the ultimate Pythag. symbol, being the triangle, the apex
>>>>> represents
>>>>> the authentic nature, and the two sides representing the + and -
>>>>> aspects
>>>>> of
>>>>> the journey.
>>
>>>>> Hope Zinnic isnt still reading this. It is likely to cause a
>>>>> "disturbance in
>>>>> the force"...(his force).
>>
>>>>> BOfL
>>
>>>> Brian, I agree that we tend to believe what our previous experiences
>>>> and beliefs prepare us for. The mind hates a mystery as nature hates a
>>>> vacuum.
>>
>>> You overlap you metaphors far too much.The mind actually thrives on
>>> mystery. Nature doesnt hate, but in context, the 'real" vacume is
>>> synonimous with unrealized aspects of self, the absence of which, is
>>> the
>>> cause of such emotions.Of course thats a 'wholistic" pov.
>>
>>>> This necessitates that we all, (including you, despite your
>>>> protestations to the contrary) choose our own explanations for
>>>> mysterious occurrences. You choose the esoteric, I choose (or await)
>>>> the mundane. Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence.
>>
>>> And an extra-ordinary willingness to step outside the "comfort" zone,
>>> being the arena of "common knowledge".This is a universal position,
>>> even
>>> within specific disciplines, as I have pointed out many times.
>>
>>>> Or, to paraphrase Hume, one should countenance a miracle only if the
>>>> invalidity of the evidence is more miraculous than the miracle
>>>> itself!
>>
>>> What appears miraculous to one, is normal occurance to another.
>>> Acupuncture being an excellent example. The explaination how it works
>>> to a
>>> traditionalist (western version) would be rejected based on their
>>> established wisdom.This is just one reason why there is such reluctance
>>> to
>>> investigate. Another being financial.Arrogance and money , a powerful
>>> conection.
>>
>>>> It is inarguable that the nature, prevalence and popularity of
>>>> 'extraordinary experiences' are influenced by people's physical and
>>>> psychological environment.
>>
>>> No argument required.See my last sentence.
>>
>>> What you are inferring is a justification of your "blanket" approach to
>>> invalidating anything outside your frame of reference. This is healthy.
>>> It
>>> becomes unhealthy when you outgrow those past rerferences, but hold on
>>> to
>>> the attitude appropriate to that period..My shoe analogy depicts.
>>
>>>> For example, compared to the present day,
>>>> the greater prevalence of hallucinations in past centuries correlates
>>>> with the greater incidence of illness and ignorance.
>>
>>> Also the readily available, and traditional "potions" often used in
>>> ceremonial initiations "When the elders dictated".
>>
>>> Now the modified substances are just another revenue raising avenue for
>>> the modern day "elders".
>>> No retrogression here. Real progress in fact.
>>
>>>> The changing
>>>> nature of unusual experiences reported also reflects the changing
>>>> culture. Once it was Angels and Demons, later it was UFOs and Aliens.
>>>> Once it was trials and execution of witches, later trials and
>>>> imprisonment of kindergarten staff members accused of satanic sexual
>>>> abuse of their wards.
>>
>>> Once more you attempt to validate you position by introducing fiction
>>> to
>>> fact.
>>>>Feed back loops of emotionalism, superstition
>>>> and just plain ignorance do incalculable harm.
>>
>>> Not unlike the harm being done to the planet through scientific means ?
>>
>>>> The practice of Astrology and Numerology may be benign to your mind.
>>>> You may even believe that they have merit as counseling tools to help
>>>> the uneducated and insecure.
>>
>>> Help them to become what? Anyone who believes they are helping to
>>> enlighten people are actually perpetuating those insecurities.
>>
>>> I wont make any more comments re my view of astrology. You choose to
>>> ignore when I do.
>>
>>> .> IMO these activities patently sacrifice
>>>> truth on the altar of customer satisfaction and are far from benign.
>>
>>> I know of no organisations that doesnt sacrafice truth, even though
>>> many
>>> sincere people do not recognise that is what they are`perpetuatiing.
>>
>>> Wisdom comes only with hindsight, part of which being the observation
>>> of
>>> the process for those still discovering that state.
>>
>>>> I used Wikepedia to "seek' information on Astrology and Numerology. I
>>>> suggest that you do so! See the comments of Richard Dawkins in his
>>>> article published in a British journal of Astrology. See the dismal
>>>> performance in a scientifically controlled test of 'experienced'
>>>> professional astrologists who were allowed to approve the questions
>>>> used in the test.
>>
>>> Much to your surprise, (the word you used was "epiphany")Im a great
>>> adovcate of Dawkins.There is no contradiction there.
>>> Why do you constantly keep linking the astrology with numerology?
>>
>>> Not trying to link the now famous numerology research.
>>
>>> If you are just gopng to say "that was proven to be a joke" then you
>>> discredit yourself. Why not try to explain the very clear statistical
>>> patterns.
>>
>>> Yes, we already know that the "funder" was a playboy.
>>> A friend who ahs met and talked to Dawkins described him as being an
>>> "arrogant sod".I suggested that may be his defence mechanism in a
>>> hostile
>>> world
>>
>>>> See the inane excuses for their lack of accuracy or
>>>> even agreement in identifying astrological signs of the test subjects.
>>
>>> I have no interest in astrology. Your constant cross reference and
>>> attempted "guilt by association is wearing thin.
>>
>>>>>From the randomness of their 'guesses, I can only guess that Aquarius
>>>> must be ascending or descending like a yoyo!
>>>> I found information on Discordianism and that the 23 Egnima is lucky,
>>>> unlucky, sinister, strange, or sacred either to Eris or to the unholy
>>>> gods of the Cthulhu Mythas.
>>
>>> Congratulations.
>>
>>>> I took my pick and opted for 'strange
>>>> but, being new to this game, I could be mistaken. What do you think
>>>> Brian?
>>
>>> lucky, strange, sinister or sacred have no meaning in the subject
>>> matter
>>> to which I refer.They are for the "believers".
>>
>>>> Also now that I am 'informed' on Numerology I have presumed to do my
>>>> own 'divination. Turns out that I am actually a SEVEN in both the
>>>> English and Chaldean numbering systems. As you know this represents
>>>> Thought, Consciousness. I think this is valid because I really do
>>>> think I am conscious.
>>
>>> The dillema of the seven energy, is actually based on confusion between
>>> thinking and knowing. Most 7'sI have looked at do not have a 3,5 ot 7
>>> in
>>> their birth date. This is indicative of scepticism, and exacerbates
>>> that
>>> dillema. It can get bloody serious!!!
>>
>>> In may cultures, 7 "is a far as it goes".
>>
>>> Bach wrote his famous last work "in D minor" in seven parts. He
>>> explained
>>> why, but would mean little to someone not aware of the 'language". One
>>> snippet in an enormous body of evidence.
>>
>>> The seventh sense of the seventh heaven is linked to the seven "notes"
>>> and
>>> seven "colors". On the seventh day , try to make sense of things, and
>>> if
>>> you are an ascitic, burn the seven candelled madella.
>>
>>> If you in fact have a 7 birthdate, it is important to your health to
>>> get
>>> away from the madding crowd one day a week. What you have to be aware
>>> of,
>>> is the lack of understanding that often comes with your need for
>>> isolation.You could appear to be "anti social".
>>
>>>> However, the Chinese interpretation is that
>>>> SEVEN symbolizes a "slangy vulgar word". This has me worried because I
>>>> once received a New Year card from a Chinese friend with the greeting
>>>> "It is the year of the Monkey! How are you? I need some re-assurance
>>>> here, can you help me Brian?
>>
>>> For the same reason 13 is seen to be "bad luck" in that part of the
>>> world.....but hey,there they shoot fallun gong advocates.
>>> Like many superstitions, there is often a grain of evidence. I believe
>>> it
>>> is Mandarin, that the word for thirteen has the same pronounciation as
>>> death.
>>
>>>> Mystical relationship between numbers and physical objects is
>>>> considered by modern mathematicians to be pseudo science.
>>
>>> You get great satisfaction out of generalities, as long as they dont
>>> conflict with your beliefs.
>>
>>> Some of my best friends are mystics AND scientists.
>>
>>>> A subject
>>>> that I know enthralls you. Pythagoras' mysticism no more detracts from
>>>> his contribution to mathematics than do Newton's 'approximations'
>>>> detract from his 'divine" contribution to modern science.
>>
>>> I can see why you get comfort from that supposition.
>>
>>> Just consider for a couple of seconds, the propersition that an
>>> individual
>>> contains, but is superior to, all mater energy time and space
>>> 'constructs'. At least that consideration will at least give you a clue
>>> as
>>> to Pythagoras' position.On that basis, I can say say "his awareness of
>>> reality" does not detract from his interest in introducing such
>>> symbology
>>> the the world of the intellect.
>>
>>> Mathematics of "stuff". Thats why we can fly , communicate this way etc
>>> etc. He talked of the "math of the human spirit". No contradiction to
>>> those who have a sense/awareness of self in the greater scheme of
>>> things.
>>
>>>> So, regarding my a view on acupuncture. The physicality of sticking
>>>> pins in the human body is a far cry from supernal relationships
>>>> between human pyches and the wanderings of planets 'through' the
>>>> imagined patterns of 'star' constellations.
>>
>>> There you go again. Cant help yourself. No mention of unicorns?
>>
>>>>The individual stars and
>>>> galaxies of these patterns are un-related in physical space.
>>
>>> Nobel prize stuff......
>>
>>>>Any
>>>> relationships exist only in the space between astrologists' ears.
>>
>>> I'm getting a little sick of your "comfort reference zone".
>>
>>>> Scientific investigations will establish the mechanism of 'cures'
>>>> claimed for acupuncture.
>>>> Whether or not they significantly differ from
>>>> placebo 'cures' remains to be established.
>>
>>> Only in the space beteen your head.
>>
>>> The actual evidence is creating a discomfort for some scientists.
>>> I have pointed out the latest findings. One being stimulating "points
>>> that
>>> have no physical identity" other than locations shown on the meridian
>>> charts, "ACTUALLY" stimulate the particular brain location responsible
>>> for
>>> the related area described in the acupuncture literature.
>>
>>> In short, and an example of the findings. A point in the foot, linked
>>> by a
>>> meridian to the eye stimulated the part of the brain responsible for
>>> that
>>> specific function of the eye.
>>
>>> They wont find and furthtr physical connection evidence, because it
>>> doesnt
>>> exist. A real pain in the butt for traditionalists. No surprises for
>>> people with my back ground. More scientific"catchup" .
>>
>>>>Alleviation of subjective
>>>> pain by acupuncture techniques is in the realm of real science.
>>
>>> As I said. Catchup.
>>
>>>> Extreme claims for acupuncture belong to pseudo science along with
>>>> your "meridians".
>>
>>> Nice try. My meridians? One generations pseudo science is another
>>> generations accepted principles. Thogh this is NOT chroniological. Hard
>>> to
>>> grasp for the "time worshipers"
>>
>>> The great divide is exemplified by the apparent contradiction between
>>> quantum and Newtonian.
>>
>>> No surprise to Pythagorans.
>>
>>>> My next 'seekings' will be on the validity of palmistry, phrenology,
>>>> and physiognomy. When I am reincarnated as a believer in pseudo
>>>> science! Stay tuned
>>
>>> There's 32 in all. Have fun.
>>
>>> Salutations
>>
>>> BOfL
>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Zinnic
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