On Aug 29, 1:45 am, "Sean"
blah.com> wrote:> Hey brian,
>
> Hey Zinnic, when you first learned to read your first book at a toddler, did
> you leap to the immediate conclusion that you then an expert in English
> Literature and the Human condition?
Of course! Just like I now conclude that I am a world authority on
Astrology and Numerology. Gee! Wickepedia is good! I am seriously
considering giving up 'Alice in Wonder Land' as reference source for
my 'deeper insights'. Let us say I have had an 'epiphany' just like
like Brian had over that "arrogant sod" Dawkins.
> One thing I'll give you is that you are humorous when you go hard and start
> spinning your wheels. ;-)
Now come on Sean! How can one be humorous about 'Transessential
Numbers' when our very lives depend on them. (forgive my spelling).
Z
PS. Send me your full name and birthdate in private and I will inform
the public of something they do not know about you!
.> "brian fletcher"
bigpond.net.au> wrote in message>>> On Aug 26, 7:09 pm, "brian fletcher"
bigpond.net.au> wrote:>>>> "zinnic"
gate.net> wrote in message>
>
>>>>>I did. And its sooooo... Absolutely Amazing.
>
>>>>> How could they possibbly have known that I am affectionate, brilliant,
>>>>> courteous, , dependable, empathetic, friendly, generous, honorable,
>>>>> informed, jovial, knowlegable, lovable, meriticious, nourishing, open-
>>>>> minded, perfect, qualified, rational, sensible, terrific, unmatched,
>>>>> vivacious, worthy, xpert, yoemanly and zestful.
>>>>> How true and how fortunate I am to be a number SIX. I am a believer!
>
>>>>> Oops! I really am innumerate. My number is not six!
>
>>>> So you have "a" number. Would that relate to your physical, emotional or
>>>> mental faculty or sub catagories of each of those structures.
>>>> ?.
>
>>>> Now you can go to psychology .com and illuminate them regarding silly
>>>> things
>>>> like type a/ and b/ personality. Wonder why they try to catagorise?
>
>>>> Just bored I guess.
>
>>>>> Oh no!
>>>>> My correct number demonstrates that I am artificial, brutish,
>>>>> cunning, ghastly, horrid, ... ?? Please Brian tell the numbers that
>>>>> it is not so! Any way now I KNOW this numerology stuff has
>>>>> absolurtly no truth in it. So there!
>
>>>> So where? Typical cry of a believer.Believe me, I'm a Zinnic.
>
>>>> How easy it would be to disprove. Any references, other than your
>>>> belief?
>
>>>> Now "knock out" the epistemological validating links to acupuncture and
>>>> go
>>>> for the double.
>
>>>> (You have ignored that point in the last 1/2 dozen communications)
>
>>>> I'm sure we will all then throw away our Pythagorean works (to say
>>>> nothing
>>>> of our first hand experiences), and remove acupuncture treatment from
>>>> many
>>>> of the private health funds, plus those "mysterious ancient meridian"
>>>> charts.
>
>>>> It will be interesting to see if any others here look at that link.
>
>>>> For your further edification, the numeric symbols relating to human
>>>> characteristics are as follows.
>>>> Assertive,passive,creative,disciplined,freespirited,
>>>> responsible,metaphysical,authoratative and altruistic. Nine in all.
>
>>>> Of course, each person has a unique combination of most of those traits,
>>>> and
>>>> what makes it even more interesting, is each has three phases. Positive,
>>>> negative or neutral.
>
>>>> Some with the freedom nature, often trap themselves, so they can free
>>>> themselves...and discover, in the process, their true nature.
>
>>>> A cursary looker could conclude for instance, a 'natural' very assertive
>>>> natured person, is always becoming a victim.
>
>>>> Ever found your true creativity after spending time in a frustrated
>>>> position.?
>
>>>> Back to the ultimate Pythag. symbol, being the triangle, the apex
>>>> represents
>>>> the authentic nature, and the two sides representing the + and - aspects
>>>> of
>>>> the journey.
>
>>>> Hope Zinnic isnt still reading this. It is likely to cause a
>>>> "disturbance in
>>>> the force"...(his force).
>
>>>> BOfL
>
>>> Brian, I agree that we tend to believe what our previous experiences
>>> and beliefs prepare us for. The mind hates a mystery as nature hates a
>>> vacuum.
>
>> You overlap you metaphors far too much.The mind actually thrives on
>> mystery. Nature doesnt hate, but in context, the 'real" vacume is
>> synonimous with unrealized aspects of self, the absence of which, is the
>> cause of such emotions.Of course thats a 'wholistic" pov.
>
>>> This necessitates that we all, (including you, despite your
>>> protestations to the contrary) choose our own explanations for
>>> mysterious occurrences. You choose the esoteric, I choose (or await)
>>> the mundane. Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence.
>
>> And an extra-ordinary willingness to step outside the "comfort" zone,
>> being the arena of "common knowledge".This is a universal position, even
>> within specific disciplines, as I have pointed out many times.
>
>>> Or, to paraphrase Hume, one should countenance a miracle only if the
>>> invalidity of the evidence is more miraculous than the miracle
>>> itself!
>
>> What appears miraculous to one, is normal occurance to another.
>> Acupuncture being an excellent example. The explaination how it works to a
>> traditionalist (western version) would be rejected based on their
>> established wisdom.This is just one reason why there is such reluctance to
>> investigate. Another being financial.Arrogance and money , a powerful
>> conection.
>
>>> It is inarguable that the nature, prevalence and popularity of
>>> 'extraordinary experiences' are influenced by people's physical and
>>> psychological environment.
>
>> No argument required.See my last sentence.
>
>> What you are inferring is a justification of your "blanket" approach to
>> invalidating anything outside your frame of reference. This is healthy. It
>> becomes unhealthy when you outgrow those past rerferences, but hold on to
>> the attitude appropriate to that period..My shoe analogy depicts.
>
>>> For example, compared to the present day,
>>> the greater prevalence of hallucinations in past centuries correlates
>>> with the greater incidence of illness and ignorance.
>
>> Also the readily available, and traditional "potions" often used in
>> ceremonial initiations "When the elders dictated".
>
>> Now the modified substances are just another revenue raising avenue for
>> the modern day "elders".
>> No retrogression here. Real progress in fact.
>
>>> The changing
>>> nature of unusual experiences reported also reflects the changing
>>> culture. Once it was Angels and Demons, later it was UFOs and Aliens.
>>> Once it was trials and execution of witches, later trials and
>>> imprisonment of kindergarten staff members accused of satanic sexual
>>> abuse of their wards.
>
>> Once more you attempt to validate you position by introducing fiction to
>> fact.
>>>Feed back loops of emotionalism, superstition
>>> and just plain ignorance do incalculable harm.
>
>> Not unlike the harm being done to the planet through scientific means ?
>
>>> The practice of Astrology and Numerology may be benign to your mind.
>>> You may even believe that they have merit as counseling tools to help
>>> the uneducated and insecure.
>
>> Help them to become what? Anyone who believes they are helping to
>> enlighten people are actually perpetuating those insecurities.
>
>> I wont make any more comments re my view of astrology. You choose to
>> ignore when I do.
>
>> .> IMO these activities patently sacrifice
>>> truth on the altar of customer satisfaction and are far from benign.
>
>> I know of no organisations that doesnt sacrafice truth, even though many
>> sincere people do not recognise that is what they are`perpetuatiing.
>
>> Wisdom comes only with hindsight, part of which being the observation of
>> the process for those still discovering that state.
>
>>> I used Wikepedia to "seek' information on Astrology and Numerology. I
>>> suggest that you do so! See the comments of Richard Dawkins in his
>>> article published in a British journal of Astrology. See the dismal
>>> performance in a scientifically controlled test of 'experienced'
>>> professional astrologists who were allowed to approve the questions
>>> used in the test.
>
>> Much to your surprise, (the word you used was "epiphany")Im a great
>> adovcate of Dawkins.There is no contradiction there.
>> Why do you constantly keep linking the astrology with numerology?
>
>> Not trying to link the now famous numerology research.
>
>> If you are just gopng to say "that was proven to be a joke" then you
>> discredit yourself. Why not try to explain the very clear statistical
>> patterns.
>
>> Yes, we already know that the "funder" was a playboy.
>> A friend who ahs met and talked to Dawkins described him as being an
>> "arrogant sod".I suggested that may be his defence mechanism in a hostile
>> world
>
>>> See the inane excuses for their lack of accuracy or
>>> even agreement in identifying astrological signs of the test subjects.
>
>> I have no interest in astrology. Your constant cross reference and
>> attempted "guilt by association is wearing thin.
>
>>>>From the randomness of their 'guesses, I can only guess that Aquarius
>>> must be ascending or descending like a yoyo!
>>> I found information on Discordianism and that the 23 Egnima is lucky,
>>> unlucky, sinister, strange, or sacred either to Eris or to the unholy
>>> gods of the Cthulhu Mythas.
>
>> Congratulations.
>
>>> I took my pick and opted for 'strange
>>> but, being new to this game, I could be mistaken. What do you think
>>> Brian?
>
>> lucky, strange, sinister or sacred have no meaning in the subject matter
>> to which I refer.They are for the "believers".
>
>>> Also now that I am 'informed' on Numerology I have presumed to do my
>>> own 'divination. Turns out that I am actually a SEVEN in both the
>>> English and Chaldean numbering systems. As you know this represents
>>> Thought, Consciousness. I think this is valid because I really do
>>> think I am conscious.
>
>> The dillema of the seven energy, is actually based on confusion between
>> thinking and knowing. Most 7'sI have looked at do not have a 3,5 ot 7 in
>> their birth date. This is indicative of scepticism, and exacerbates that
>> dillema. It can get bloody serious!!!
>
>> In may cultures, 7 "is a far as it goes".
>
>> Bach wrote his famous last work "in D minor" in seven parts. He explained
>> why, but would mean little to someone not aware of the 'language". One
>> snippet in an enormous body of evidence.
>
>> The seventh sense of the seventh heaven is linked to the seven "notes" and
>> seven "colors". On the seventh day , try to make sense of things, and if
>> you are an ascitic, burn the seven candelled madella.
>
>> If you in fact have a 7 birthdate, it is important to your health to get
>> away from the madding crowd one day a week. What you have to be aware of,
>> is the lack of understanding that often comes with your need for
>> isolation.You could appear to be "anti social".
>
>>> However, the Chinese interpretation is that
>>> SEVEN symbolizes a "slangy vulgar word". This has me worried because I
>>> once received a New Year card from a Chinese friend with the greeting
>>> "It is the year of the Monkey! How are you? I need some re-assurance
>>> here, can you help me Brian?
>
>> For the same reason 13 is seen to be "bad luck" in that part of the
>> world.....but hey,there they shoot fallun gong advocates.
>> Like many superstitions, there is often a grain of evidence. I believe it
>> is Mandarin, that the word for thirteen has the same pronounciation as
>> death.
>
>>> Mystical relationship between numbers and physical objects is
>>> considered by modern mathematicians to be pseudo science.
>
>> You get great satisfaction out of generalities, as long as they dont
>> conflict with your beliefs.
>
>> Some of my best friends are mystics AND scientists.
>
>>> A subject
>>> that I know enthralls you. Pythagoras' mysticism no more detracts from
>>> his contribution to mathematics than do Newton's 'approximations'
>>> detract from his 'divine" contribution to modern science.
>
>> I can see why you get comfort from that supposition.
>
>> Just consider for a couple of seconds, the propersition that an individual
>> contains, but is superior to, all mater energy time and space
>> 'constructs'. At least that consideration will at least give you a clue as
>> to Pythagoras' position.On that basis, I can say say "his awareness of
>> reality" does not detract from his interest in introducing such symbology
>> the the world of the intellect.
>
>> Mathematics of "stuff". Thats why we can fly , communicate this way etc
>> etc. He talked of the "math of the human spirit". No contradiction to
>> those who have a sense/awareness of self in the greater scheme of things.
>
>>> So, regarding my a view on acupuncture. The physicality of sticking
>>> pins in the human body is a far cry from supernal relationships
>>> between human pyches and the wanderings of planets 'through' the
>>> imagined patterns of 'star' constellations.
>
>> There you go again. Cant help yourself. No mention of unicorns?
>
>>>The individual stars and
>>> galaxies of these patterns are un-related in physical space.
>
>> Nobel prize stuff......
>
>>>Any
>>> relationships exist only in the space between astrologists' ears.
>
>> I'm getting a little sick of your "comfort reference zone".
>
>>> Scientific investigations will establish the mechanism of 'cures'
>>> claimed for acupuncture.
>>> Whether or not they significantly differ from
>>> placebo 'cures' remains to be established.
>
>> Only in the space beteen your head.
>
>> The actual evidence is creating a discomfort for some scientists.
>> I have pointed out the latest findings. One being stimulating "points that
>> have no physical identity" other than locations shown on the meridian
>> charts, "ACTUALLY" stimulate the particular brain location responsible for
>> the related area described in the acupuncture literature.
>
>> In short, and an example of the findings. A point in the foot, linked by a
>> meridian to the eye stimulated the part of the brain responsible for that
>> specific function of the eye.
>
>> They wont find and furthtr physical connection evidence, because it doesnt
>> exist. A real pain in the butt for traditionalists. No surprises for
>> people with my back ground. More scientific"catchup" .
>
>>>Alleviation of subjective
>>> pain by acupuncture techniques is in the realm of real science.
>
>> As I said. Catchup.
>
>>> Extreme claims for acupuncture belong to pseudo science along with
>>> your "meridians".
>
>> Nice try. My meridians? One generations pseudo science is another
>> generations accepted principles. Thogh this is NOT chroniological. Hard to
>> grasp for the "time worshipers"
>
>> The great divide is exemplified by the apparent contradiction between
>> quantum and Newtonian.
>
>> No surprise to Pythagorans.
>
>>> My next 'seekings' will be on the validity of palmistry, phrenology,
>>> and physiognomy. When I am reincarnated as a believer in pseudo
>>> science! Stay tuned
>
>> There's 32 in all. Have fun.
>
>> Salutations
>
>> BOfL
>
>>> Regards
>>> Zinnic
