On Sep 18, 7:25В am, John Jones aol.com> wrote:
> We talk of the set of all the natural numbers, and numbers going on for
> ever, even though these notions don't look arithmetical. Numbers, the
> ones we work with, are always generated by addition, multiplication, and
> other funcions.
>
> Numbers don't barn-dance. All contemporary theories of number, like
> finitism and ultra-finitism, suggest otherwise. But numbers don't do
> collections, or orderings, or listings ... numbers don't arrange,
> period. We may fool ourselves into thinking that 'numbers' do these
> things when we aren't looking or calculating, in some Platonic realm
> perhaps.
>
> For example, we say that 2 'follows' 1. But 2 never follows 1. Whoever
> heard of a number coming 'after' another number, except in the context
> of being a teaching expedient? What sort of function allows a number to
> usher in a 'next' number and sit by its side?
>
> Numbers don't do lists, amorphous collections, sequences... look what
> happens if we think they do. Take the 'sequence' of 'natural numbers'.
> We count each number once, irrespective of its value. So we have one
> 'one', one 'two', one '65536', etc. It isn't our count of these numbers
> that arranges them, though. The numbers must magically arrange
> themselves through their own efforts, amorphously in one set, or
> sequenced, etc. But there is no method by which a number can cross the
> divide from being function-generated to being a member of an
> arrangement. In an arrangement all objects are, as far as the
> arrangement goes, identical.
>
> SPECULATION and CONCLUSION
>
> My point? My point is that we have generated myths about 'numbers';
> myths whose sources are found among school rote teaching methods. These
> methods worked only if we believed in the idea that numbers are
> independent, individual entities independent of the functions that
> create them. So, numbers possibly could, we believed then (and now),
> order themselves.
>
> We confuse arithmetical possibility with grammatical possibility. It IS
> grammatically admissable to speak of isolable numbers only because
> grammatically it is how we were taught to speak about 'numbers'. It
> started in infancy when we saw isolated 'numbers' on big coloured cubes,
> and numbers with personalities in 'Sesame Street'. The indoctrination
> continued in school through the employment of a grammatically correct,
> roted and sequenced, addition, subtraction, and times-table. Later, we
> saw numbers neatly boxed-up in logarithmic tables and - as if through
> some natural, innate ordering property - lined up on calculator screens.
>
> Numbers are not countable. They are neither isolable nor individual
> objects. The term 'numbers', 'a number', 'all' numbers, etc., are
> arithmetically inadmissable, even if they are grammatically par for the
> course.
Symbols are symbols. They only ever symbolise the true nature of the
observer.
We are each 'multifaceted, so we project a categorising nature, to
first see our reflection. This is what Pythagoras was all about. Of
course the symbols are also useful to calculate the validity of those
reflections.
We look at the universe, and see ourselves. The only difference is the
space between the atoms, and we all know that atoms break down to
energy.
Ask Mr Haldron. He just spent $16 billion to find out.
BOfL