On Jun 22, 8:23 pm, "Shrikeback"
hotmail.com> wrote:>> The NRA promotes the 2nd Amend. as a kind of individualist "pocket
>> veto."
>
> Actually, let's hear what Jefferson had to say, eh?
>
> "None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army.
> To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important."
> --Thomas Jefferson, 1803.
>
> "It is more a subject of joy [than of regret] that we have so few of the
> desperate characters which compose modern regular armies. But it
> proves more forcibly the necessity of obliging every citizen to be a
> soldier; this was the case with the Greeks and Romans and must be
> that of every free State. Where there is no oppression there can be
> no pauper hirelings."
> --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1813.
>
> The examples are legion. Yes, yes, we know. The Jefferson whose
> flag you wrap yourself in isn't the one from real history. Just like
> free speech for the working class isn't anything like real free speech.
>
I thought that Jefferson was thinking about what would happen if the
US miltary were the ones giving out traffic tickets. Actually they
feared the recent memory of the British Military hanging out on every
corner of the homeland, securing it for the King of Britain.
Anti-Federalists feared creation of a standing army not under civilian
control that could eventually endanger democracy and civil liberties
as had happened recently in the American Colonies and Europe.[26]
Although the Anti-Federalists were ultimately unsuccessful at blocking
ratification of the Constitution, through the Massachusetts Compromise
they laid the groundwork to ensure that a Bill of Rights would be
drafted, which would provide constitutional guarantees against
encroachment by the government of certain rights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
> It's interesting how all extremist Leftards do try to wrap themselves
> in patriotic symbols, but, of course, it's an Alice in Mecuryland form of
> patriotism. It's kind of a mix of Nationalist sentimentality with
> Leftardism.
>
>> If you "git pushed too far" just pull out yer AK-47 and shoot the tax
>> collector.
>
> What would that achieve? Here's the situation, say:
>
> Algore becomes premeir through a victory of the Greenola
> party in 2016. Soon, the United Snakes devolves into famine
> and creeping totalitarianism. Then it collapses under Algore's
> weight like the old Soviet Union. Joseph Smith is reanimated
> by Pharmcorpwhores, takes over Utah and secedes from the
> union, with all of Utah's nukes, and he starts burning atheists
> at the stake. Do I, as an atheist who knows they're heading for
> me eventually, have the right of self-defense against the
> dictator of Utahstan?
>
> The second Amendment is not intended as a pocket veto,
> but as Plan B.
>
>> The ignorant suck on the Clint Eastwood imagery provided by Hollywood
>> like a pacifier for years and years as an alternative to real
>> political participation.
>
> Real political participation? Sounds skeery? But what's with
> this homoerotic pacifier imagery?
>
>> The only difference with NRA member Tim McVeigh is he wanted to do
>> more than suck on a pacifier. McVeigh fancied himself as a man of
>> action.
>
> So, tell me what the difference is between the Weathermen,
> the SLA, the Mansons, and other smelly greenola hippies?
> What's the difference between Jim Jones and Bret KKKahill?
> The real thing that gets violent genocidal leftards all vexed about Tim
> McVeigh is that none of their extremist ideologues are young
> enough to do much damage anymore.
>
Whats the difference between the way you sound and they sound, not
much, your language reminds me of conservative political correctness
and whinnng and crying by Rush and other weakling like him.
>> So there are only two choices for high school drop out NRA bottom
>> feeders:
>
>> Sucking on Clint Eastwood imagery or terrorism.
>
> Well, there's always the skeery image of free speech for the
> proletariat breaking out. Za rodinu, tovarish. Za Stalina.
