On Apr 29, 12:21Â pm, Christopher A. Lee optonline.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:05:22 -0700 (PDT), Awais Nazir
>
> gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Apr 28, 6:38Â pm, "Geoff" yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
>>> Been looking for gods for 10k years.Noword from the big guy yet. Whycan't
>>> theistanswerthis?
>
>>theansweris that: GOD COMMUNICATED THE HUMANITY THROUGH HIS
>>MESSENGERS INCLUDING MOSES/JESUS/MUHAMMAD.
>
> PROVE IT, IN-YOUR-FACE, PIG-IGNORANT, QUESTION-BEGGING WORSHIPPER OF A
> PEDOPHILE CAMEL-FUCKER.
DEFINITION OF MESSENGERSHIP: Well, if Hindu/Parsi/Bible/etc scriptures
describe Muhammad in such a detail as naming him and his parents, and
also his native place, AND not only one past scripture but ALL major
scriptures of the past say such, etc., because all those major
Scriptures were revealed by the same source - God - but after each's
CORRUPTION then God send new messengership to replace the previous
Messengership; This Messengership sounds an impossibility except ONE
source God is sending there messengers. Surely, this can't be a
coincidence, given the human ego such that even if there is the truth
in front of him, human ego will not accept it, how come all the main
religions of world despite human ego foretold the comming of Muhammad,
and told their followers to follow Muhammad, in very clear words?
MESSENGERSHIP PROVES UNSEEN: Hence Muhammad is proved, so do previous
mesengers, including Jesus/Moses, so do God, so do Paradise and Hell,
so do Angels, so do Bible/Quran themselves, so do Life after Death or
Fate or Day of Resurrection, and all othe matters of the unseen, and
all what Muhammadan Islam say, in short: Belief Is No More A Blind
Belief! So, we can now say with proof, that God organized organic
evolution, or the Universe Creation, and that they were not the chance
creation. Note thE, miracles done by Jesus/Muhammad/etc can't be
proved directly, we can't know even if Jesus was real/figurative
figure, BUT Messengership. What thing, "Messengership" don't prove?
MUHAMMADAN ISLAM REPLACES PREVIOUS MESSENGERSHIPS: Secondary proof, as
previously, proved only that God existed, but they couldn't prove that
is that God really interested in us, and if he is, the how? Saying
that Muhammadan Islam say that God is Absolute is no proof, because
Judaism/Orthodox-Christianity/etc also say similar, also, what if God
himself wanted to eat/die/etc. as in hinduism/etc.? If God himself
wanted it, then no-one could deny him also; Messengership comes to
rescue here also: it proves that why only Muhammadan Islam is true,
and it says that, other major religions were true in their own times
in past.
MESSENGERSHIP CREATES HARMONY/COMMON-GROUND: The added advantage, of
Messengership, is that: Messengership propagate the unity/harmony of
religions/humanity in practial terms, thus, Hinduism/Jewish/etc. are
nothing but sent from the same source, only to be revived by latter
Messengership, once contradictions crept into them. Yet another
advantage is that: even, Budhist, Hindu, Jewish/Christian, scriptures
foretold their abrogation on the coming of Muhammadan scripture, so
all the complexity is reduced in one step.
Now, I can say, that God intended Messengership as an Absolute proof,
not the Science, as an authenticity-badge for the Muhammadan Islam.
Quran.2.35-39 implies that, when God expelled the first man from
Paradise to Earth, God intended only messengership, as a source of
guidance, not any thing else (e.g. science/logic/etc.) as the prove
that the particular message is really from God.
Quran.2.164 implies that God will not punish (nearly Eternal Hell),
when the person has not known THE messengership, of his time, and that
"nature signs" makes meaning only after "messengership".
Bible originals exist today, they blong to the time "before the time
of Muhammad", as the Carbon Dating of them proves.
Thus, if those original Bible didn't existed from the time "time
before Muhammad", then this "messengership" section of my Diary, would
be mere fake, because a doubt of uncertainity is inserted in it, what
if muslims had changed the bible for their bias?
If the KJV Bible don't suffice one, then he can always cross-check
them with the original bible manuscripts.
Though I haven't studies Parsi scriptures in detail, but a cursory
glance led me to the following prophesy about Muhammad.
In Dasatir 14 (Sasan11) we can find a very clear prophesy of Muhammad
(pbuh):
"When the Persians should sink so low in morality, a man will be born
in Arabia whose followers will upset their throne, religion and
everything. The mighty stiff-necked ones of Persia will be
overpowered. The house which was built (The Kaaba in Makkah built by
prophet Abraham) and in which many idols have been placed will be
purged of idols, and people will say their prayers facing towards it.
His followers will capture the towns of Parsis and Taus and Balkh and
other big places round about. People will embroil with one another.
The wise men of Persia and others will join his followers."
Though I haven't studies Hindu scriptures in detail, but a cursory
glance led me to the following prophesy about Muhammad.
"Just an illiterate man with the epithet Teacher, Muhammad by name,
came along with his companions. Raja (Bhoja in a vision) to that Great
Diva, that denizen of Arabia, purifying with the Ganges water and with
the five things of cow offered sandal wood and pay worship to him. O
denizen of Arabia and Lord of the holies, to thee is my adoration. O
thou who hast found many ways and means to destroy the devils of the
world. O pure one from among the illiterates, O sinless one, the
spirit of the truth and absolute master, to thee is my adoration.
Accept me at thy feet"
Bhavishya Purna Parv 3, Khand 3, Adhya 3, Shalok 5-8
Bible.Deuteronomy.33.2 implies that in the Jewish history, there will
be three most important messengers, each will revive previous
messenger's teachings. Sinai one will be the first. Seir one will be
the second. Paran one will be the third. In the following I will prove
that: Sinai means Moses' place, Seir means Jesus' place, Paran means
Muhammad's place.
Bible.Nehemiah.9.13-15 implies that, Moses received his "Moses Law" at
Sinai, (thus, Sinai mean's Moses' place.).
Bible.Luke.1.26-33 says that, Jesus was from Nazareth which is in
Galilee. Bible.Matthew.4.12-16 says that, Galilee is towards the side
of Dead sea where Jerusalem also lie. Bible.Deuteronomy.2.1-28 says
that, Seir is beside the Dead Sea. Bible.Chronicles.20.10-15 says that
Israelites will defeat Seirites. Bibile.2Chronicles.25.11 says that,
Seir is the valley of Salt, because it is beside Dead Sea which is
full of salt. Conclusion: Seir is in Galilee, and Galilee was the
place of messengership of Jesus.
Bible.Genesis.21.21 implies that Ishmaelite dwelt in the wilderness/
desert of "Paran". Muhammad was the only Ishmaelite, who was a
messenger, so there had to come a messenger to Ishmaelites i.e. paran-
one, and he must be Muhammad, because Muhammad is the only Ishmaelite
messenger. Bible don't mention even a single Jewish messenger from
Paran.
Bible.Deuteronomy.33.2 implies that, God shined from Paran, and he
came with ten thousands of the saints. Bukhari.5.59.574 describes
Muhammad accompained by Ten-thousand soldiers when he conquered his
mother-city, Mecca, which proved to be the turning point in favour of
Muhammad.
Bible.Deuteronomy.33.2 implies that God will "his right hand went a
fiery law for them"; thus Quran.5.3 implies that God completed
messengership at Muhammad, (all messengers, Adam/Moses/Jesus/etc, were
but one stock, name it muslims/else/else, but they were all in one),
and there will be no messenger any more.
Hijaz/Paran area is the mountaneous area of the western most of the
Arabian Peninsula, apart from the southern tip of Yemen. Nevertheless
"Paran" is the Western Arabia, in Bible. But neverthess, even if
people say that this "Paran" is not the real one, or this "Paran" is
there; even if "Paran" exists anywhere on the earth, nevertheless,
Bible says that Ishmael and his offsprings dwelt in "Paran". This is
the important point, shed all the other mysteries, thus, I will not
assert which "Paran" the Bible is talking about, let this argument
don't deviate us from the actual purpose. There is only one "Paran" in
Bible, no matter which one, and Ishmaelite and his offspring dwelt in
it for ever, (note that, "faran" is the arabic word used widely among
the Arabs, SEARCH, probably for the Hijaz area; because Arabic have no
'p' sound in their alphabets, so they replace 'f' for 'p'.).
Conclusion: Along with other Primary Proofs, my Intuition says that
God is really Interested in us, and God always communicated with us
through the Middle-Eastern Messengers, the last of whom was Muhammad;
the Jealous Jews/Christians would never tolerate the Ishmaelite
Muhammad in their Bible, and surprisingly whenever a future messenger
is mentioned, in 95%% cases it is Muhammmd, the Warrior Messenger.
Bible.Deuteronomy, "
33:1 And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed
the children of Israel before his death.
33:2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto
them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands
of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
33:3 Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and
they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.
", bible verses end.
Bible.Nehemiah.9.13-15, "
9:13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them
from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good
statutes and commandments: 9:14 And madest known unto them thy holy
sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the
hand of Moses thy servant: 9:15 And gavest them bread from heaven for
their hunger, and broughtest forth water for them out of the rock for
their thirst, and promisedst them that they should go in to possess
the land which thou hadst sworn to give them.
", bible verses end.
Bible.Luke, "
1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a
city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man
whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name
was Mary.
1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art
highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
1:29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in
her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found
favour with God.
1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a
son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:
and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his
kingdom there shall be no end.
", bible verses end.
Bible.Matthew, "
4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he
departed into Galilee; 4:13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in
Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and
Nephthalim: 4:14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias
the prophet, saying, 4:15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of
Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the
Gentiles; 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and
to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung
up.
", bible verses end.
Bible.Deuteronomy,
2:1 Then we turned, and took our journey into the wilderness by the
way of the Red sea, as the LORD spake unto me: and we compassed mount
Seir many days.
2:2 And the LORD spake unto me, saying, 2:3 Ye have compassed this
mountain long enough: turn you northward.
2:4 And command thou the people, saying, Ye are to pass through the
coast of your brethren the children of Esau, which dwell in Seir; and
they shall be afraid of you: take ye good heed unto yourselves
therefore: 2:5 Meddle not with them; for I will not give you of their
land, no, not so much as a foot breadth; because I have given mount
Seir unto Esau for a possession.
..........
2:16 So it came to pass, when all the men of war were consumed and
dead from among the people, 2:17 That the LORD spake unto me, saying,
2:18 Thou art to pass over through Ar, the coast of Moab, this day:
2:19 And when thou comest nigh over against the children of Ammon,
distress them not, nor meddle with them: for I will not give thee of
the land of the children of Ammon any possession; because I have given
it unto the children of Lot for a possession.
..........
2:28 Thou shalt sell me meat for money, that I may eat; and give me
water for money, that I may drink: only I will pass through on my
feet; 2:29 (As the children of Esau which dwell in Seir, and the
Moabites which dwell in Ar, did unto me;) until I shall pass over
Jordan into the land which the LORD our God giveth us.
", bible verses end.
Bible.Chronicles, "
20:10 And now, behold, the children of Ammon and Moab and mount Seir,
whom thou wouldest not let Israel invade, when they came out of the
land of Egypt, but they turned from them, and destroyed them not;
20:11 Behold, I say, how they reward us, to come to cast us out of thy
possession, which thou hast given us to inherit.
20:12 O our God, wilt thou not judge them? for we have no might
against this great company that cometh against us; neither know we
what to do: but our eyes are upon thee.
20:13 And all Judah stood before the LORD, with their little ones,
their wives, and their children.
20:14 Then upon Jahaziel the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the
son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, a Levite of the sons of Asaph,
came the Spirit of the LORD in the midst of the congregation; 20:15
And he said, Hearken ye, all Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem,
and thou king Jehoshaphat, Thus saith the LORD unto you, Be not afraid
nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not
yours, but God's.
", bible verses end.
Bible.2Chronicles, "
25:11 And Amaziah strengthened himself, and led forth his people, and
went to the valley of salt, and smote of the children of Seir ten
thousand.
", bible verses end.
Bible.Genesis.21.1-21, "
21:1 And the LORD visited Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did unto
Sarah as he had spoken.
21:2 For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at
the set time of which God had spoken to him.
21:3 And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him,
whom Sarah bare to him, Isaac.
21:4 And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as
God had commanded him.
21:5 And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born
unto him.
21:6 And Sarah said, God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear
will laugh with me.
21:7 And she said, Who would have said unto Abraham, that Sarah should
have given children suck? for I have born him a son in his old age.
21:8 And the child grew, and was weaned: and Abraham made a great
feast the same day that Isaac was weaned.
21:9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born
unto Abraham, mocking.
21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her
son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even
with Isaac.
21:11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of
his son.
21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight
because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah
hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy
seed be called.
21:13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation,
because he is thy seed.
21:14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a
bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder,
and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in
the wilderness of Beersheba.
21:15 And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child
under one of the shrubs.
21:16 And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off,
as it were a bow shot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the
child. And she sat over against him, and lift up her voice, and wept.
21:17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called
to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar?
fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.
21:18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will
make him a great nation.
21:19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she
went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.
21:20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the
wilderness, and became an archer.
21:21 And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him
a wife out of the land of Egypt.
, bible verses end.
Quran.5.3, "
…..This day have I perfected for you your religion and
completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a
religion…..
", quran verse ends.
Bukhari.5.59.574, "
Narrated Ibn Abbas :
The Prophet left Medina (for Mecca) in the company of ten-thousand
(Muslim warriors) in (the month of) Ramadan, and that was eight and a
half years after his migration to Medina. He and the Muslims who were
with him, proceeded on their way to Mecca. He was fasting and they
were fasting, but when they reached a place called Al-Kadid which was
a place of water between 'Usfan and Kudaid, he broke his fast and so
did they. (Az-Zuhri said, "One should take the last action of Allah's
Apostle and leave his early action (while taking a verdict.")
", hadith ends.
I APOLOGIZE FOR SUCH A LONG LETTER.