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>>> Hi mate,
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>>> yes saw what u referred to, and sure lot's of confirmations.
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>>> My only point regarding 99.9%% of the theories, is that they are all
>>> bent
>>> out
>>> of shape about things that didn;t even happen based simply on "stories"
>>> about things not being there, and it snowballs into xyz based on
>>> mis-information or missing info and bravado by people who have no clue
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>>> all. an example .... some claim it wan't even planes that hit the
>>> towers.
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>>> would beg to differ. So it's mushed up bs. Doesn't mean everything adds
>>> up,
>>> people have been known to do anything and everything. I have my
>>> suspicions,
>>> but really it doesn't matter. cheers :-)
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>> An interesting four corners is on tomorrow about the very subject.
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>> Im sure it will be upto their very exacting standards.
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>> Knowing how people 'shape' interpretations to suit their state of
>> consciousness (no more entrenched stories than those of the religious
>> nature), I still find it fascinating from a detached pov, to see what
>> actually happens.
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>> I didnt quite follow your point regarding building three when you
>> mentioned money moving mountains. I didnt know it actually happened
>> until I watched Zeitgeist.
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>> BOfL
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>> Building 7 .... tsk, watching 4 corners now, and i thought gee, what a
>> co-incidence hehehehe
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>> catch ya later :-)
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>> sean
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> So did the doco on 9/11 conspiracies & building 7 in particular - boy what
> synchronicity there? A whole damn doco on that very building. Are you in
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> zone or what?
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> All i meant about silverstien was that he was worth billions ---- the day
> was pretty big deal for him personally, as you see he'd only just bought
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> whole shebang. So, before 9am the shite hit the fan ....... given the $$$
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> had no problem with him having the power if anyone did to get the thing
> blown up that day. That given that I had no idea how possible it was or
> wasn't. ON the day .. OK.
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> I have no problem that it collapsed due to fire, same thing with the
> towers.
> Like i said earlier, just because something was "designed" to do xyz
> doesn;t
> mean the actual building of it was. Devils in the details isn't.
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> Note the aggressiveness from "belief" by the 9/11 doco maker when asked
> about Richard Clarke. Fact is the day Bush took over they switched off the
> Al Queda priority that was #1 when Clinton left office .... the neocons
> had
> other ideas and everything was put back into a review type status. Richard
> Clarke couldn't even get to meet with the National security advisor Condi
> Rice -- just wasn't their concern, and Bush needed lot's of holidays too.
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> It's not so much conspiracy but incompetence -- just that some people
> believe that the USA's "talents", be it buildings or intelligence, is a
> lot
> better than it really is.
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> Have you noticed that there's been 3 major collapses of Cranes in the USA
> this year. You think that's a conspiracy, or just a co-incidence. A third
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> all the worlds cranes are in Dubai now, how many have collapsed there in
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> last 5 years?
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> I'll tell you, none.
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> That's pretty much sums up my opinion in a nutshell. Occam's razor iow.
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> Doesn't mean I trust the totality of the 9/11 commission opinions, or the
> CIA, or their system. Surely Iraq has more than proven this? The USA did
> play a major role for many years that killed the elected President
> Allende,
> and put Pinochet into power. That still is unresolved or healed in Chile.
> and the beat goes on ....................
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> I'd be interested to hear what you got out of the doco brian,
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>It's not so much conspiracy but incompetence<
Yeah,cool, but maybe thats your answer - that the conspiracy was the
incompetance - the incompetance of the conspiracy. Conspiracy is
inherent in poltics as in business. Histories of th eworld - if you
dont like the word conspiracy then try "plottings or plotters"
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Sean:
I'm happy to use whatever word you want to use. Do you not like my word
"incompetence" and political plausible deniability, or spin?
I'm not afraid of the truth either. and I'm not afraid to suggest my own
opinion that much of the "9/11 Truthers" present as self-evident evidence is
nothong more than unsubstanciated conjecture, gross errors of fact, and at
times conscious mis-representation.
After seeing a life time of mis-representation by Politicians, the Media,
and marketers, I don't find it that hard to pick anymore, no matter who is
the one utilising such methods.
If the 9/11 Truthers are genuinely seeking the truth, and I don't doubt that
the majority are well intentioned, they would be of a greater service to the
world if they were as accurate as they demand from those they claim to be
responsible for 9/11. See?
Innuendo, unanswered questions that some annonymous dude on Youtube raises,
is simply not what I call "evidence".
If all they are asking for is another full and frank enquiry, then I ask who
will any of them believe to be credible enough to carry out such an enquiry,
and what process will be engaged to 'test the veracity' of all the witnesses
and the technical data?
2 million bits of data in the 9/11 Commission! Who will you trust to analyse
that and tell you what the "truth" of it is, or means?
Stuff happened in WW2 that the world still doesn't know about, and the stuff
we do, people still disagree on it. These realities, these "truths" need to
be considered as well.
But the Madrid building, or the comment about no steel buildings have ever
..... is totally irrelevant, and indiciates nothing of real value, or truth.
