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On Sep 9, 10:44 pm, "Sean" now.com.au> wrote:

Brian waffled lyricly:
Thats like prescribing Viagra to a eunoch. Tomorrow never
comes ...agghhhhhh...;-)
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Sean:
I was speaking numerologically, as the slow return of the venus transit does
it thing. :)
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Just watched the best yet regards 9/11 on the History channel. Removed
any doubt regarding the 'whitewash'.
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Sean:
Aha, you've been drinking the soma of cable tv again, I see. You should have
gone for a run instead. hehehehehe

But do you mean your doubts about a whitewash are gone, there was one, or
there hasn't been one?

B:
There were about a dozen or so well researched points, including the
absurdity of someone who could hardly fly a Cessna, to fly the Boeing
horizontally, a few meters above the ground at the speed and distance
it would have had to hit for such effect. Totally impossible for a
pilot with thousands of hours of commercial flying experience.The CIA
finally released two tapes, showing the same obscured view , when
about 85 were seazed . THis is one of the most secured building on the
planet. Im talking of the Pentagon of course.

Each point alone, the way they were handled here, would be enough to
convince someone with an open mind.
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Sean:
OK, I have an open mind, still. Try this long reply on for size, even though
I haven't seen the doco you mention, [ send me name or video link online if
you know ] I have seen very very much over the years online, and elsewhere.
Have not missed many, if any, of the "claims" and I have looked into them,
and pondered and monitored my "reactions" as well.

Let's consider the guy that could barely fly a cessna, and consider the
following, and do your own checking as well as reasoning/pondering about it.

I'll give my answers where I can, for you to consider as well - A: .....

Remember that I haven't seen this doco, I refuse to pay $ to cable TV as I
prefer not to be ripped off

Be patient with me here as I take the "approach" below. I think it may be
valuable, more valuable than Cable TV. :

1) When watching the doco, was the focus of this discussion about the exact
location of where the plane actually hit the pentagon?

A: Yes, it was.

2) When watching the doco, was the focus of discussion also about the planes
approach/trajectory to the building, talking about what was required in
order for the plane to hit the buildings vertical side at that specific
"location" from a horizontal approach at the last moments/minute by the
airliners flight?

A: Yes, it was.

3) Was the next topic of discussion, then about how difficult a maneuvre
that would be for a trained airline pilot, to fly such an aircraft turning
rapidly, and at such a low level to the ground and then to hit that *target*
location on purpose as it occurred?

A: Yes, it was.

4) Are you sure you still have an open mind, or are you not in fact
resisting or quickly discounting my queries as not being relevant?

A: Your focus is more on the later at the moment. :) But, I could be
wrong. hehehe let's continue, it's a long one ...........................

5) Which of these aircraft, after even basic training, is easier to fly in a
safe manner in any weather conditions: A single engined Cessna, a DC3, or a
Boeing 757?

A: The 767 first, the DC3 second, and the Cessna being the least safe, and
less easier to fly.

6) Which type of aircraft are found to be involved in the most aircraft
accidents: Jetliners or Light Aircraft?

A: Light Aircraft. And that includes the %% of crashes to the total number of
the type of aircraft being flown around the world.

7) Have you ever physically been to the Pentagon close up, and seen first
hand the size and position of that building?

A: I have. [ reason becomes clearer later ]

8) The Pentagon as you say, "is one of the most secured buildings on the
planet". It's pretty damn important to the USA. Can you see it using Google
Earth, even though you can drive down a freeway right beside it, as just one
example of it's importance?

A: No, it's hidden on Google earth, as well as other avenues where ever
"possible".

9) Let's imagine you are responsible for the "security" of the Pentagon
today? And let's imagine that there are 85 videos of an airliner flying
towards and actually hitting the Pentagon on 9/11. Would you permitt those
videos to be released to the general public knowing they'd end up on
YouTube?

A: No.
If your answer is "Yes", then I suspect you'd be fired immediately for
incompetance and irresponsibility. At least, if I was the US President you
would be! :)

10) Have you ever delved into the 911 Commission info? I can recall detailed
reports by individuals, as well as audio, and a graphic time lapsed
depictions with direction, elevation, of AA77's flight path from wo to go.

A: Yes, I have. Spent many many days on it, it's packed full with *first
hand info*. Here's one example, scroll down to page 10 for American Airlines
Flight 77 Flight path and other info
http://209.85.173.104/u/GovinfolibraryUNT?q=cache:ca-l5_HRABcJ:govinfo.library.unt...

11) Did anyone from the air see 77 crash into the Pentagon?

A: Yes, military personal on an aircraft clearly saw AA 77, a 767 airliner,
crash into the Pentagon because they were purposely re-directed to look for
it. Primary Radar signals also substanciate the Flight path of AA77, and
note that it crashed into the Pentagon. Not only that but there's ample eye
witness reports, and the remains of all but one body known to be listed as
travelling on AA77 found in the rubble of the Pentagon using DNA analysis
from family members of those onboard. Including the all the noted AA77
hijackers/terrorists themselves apparently.

So who cares whether or not someone thinks it's "totally impossible for a
trained airline pilot to" do do such a thing ............ that IS actually
what happened, the plane flew where it flew because of the "pilot", and then
it crashed into the Pentagon. Musing about how hard it would be, or claiming
it;s "impossible" doesn't change the self-evident one bit. But it sure can
plant some seeds of doubt in your mind sitting back and watching the "doco"
unfold. :)

12) Was there any material from AA77 boeing 757 airliner found at the scene
of the Pentagon?

A: Yes, hundreds and hundreds of items. Yet some people still insist there
was either zero wreckage, no bodies, or it wasn't a 757 but a cruise
missile, or "grey coloured" military warplane.

13) Were there independent eye witnesses that saw an airliner that was
recognised as AA, or recognised the type of aircraft as a Boeing 757, or a
airliner similar to a 757?

A: Yes, almost 100 people, some who just happened to be driving down the
road, or other similar innocous details. Yet, some people who weren't even
there, still insist it wasn't a 757 but a cruise missile, or "grey coloured"
military warplane, or something else.

14) Are there any cell phone calls/reports from passengers or crew onboard
AA77 that it had been hijacked, that it was being flown erratically, that it
was heading towards Washington DC, and that it was decending rapidly prior
to hitting the Pentagon?

A: Yes.

15) OK, almost done. Remember Q.3 above? If you were a highly trained
airline or military jet pilot, and you were given the mission to fly a
Boeing 757 into the Pentagon and cause as much damage as possible to the
building, in as spectactular a fashion as possible, on a clear day on 9/11
2001, how would you go about it?

A: You would have done a much better job that what actually occurred. Your
flight path would have been far more direct from the get go, with no
deviations, and especially on the closing approach. You would have been
flying at around 10,000 feet at several miles out and on a trajectory of
between 45 and 60 degrees DOWN and heading towards the ROOF of the building.

16) If the airline was actually under remote control by some advanced
military team, what would have occured?

A: The same as the answer to Q. 15. :)

17) Do you believe there has been some kind of "whitewash" surrounding the
events of 9/11?

A: Yes.
But this whitewash is about the lack of continued reasonable responses to
the pre-existing Terror threats, by Al Queda in particular, by the Bush
Admin after taking office that might border on neglect of their
responsibility, and leadership incompetence. And that's about it, but that
in itself is hardly proven with any hard evidence of itself, because it is a
value judgement only.

18) Has any claim made by any of the 9/11 Conspiracy theorists in the last 7
years ever been supported or corrobrated by reliable professional objective
physical and undeniable evidence of any kind whatsoever, bar "conjecture" or
"theory"?

A: No, not one. :)

19) Is it plausible that some organisation or a Nation's Govt/Secret Service
body besides OBL's Al Queda directed and/or financed the 9/11 attacks?

A: Yes

20) Has any credible evidence of such ever been made public in the last 7
years?

A: No

21) Is it possible that a group, or any individual's within the US Govt or
any other nation's Govt. knew in advance of the activities or plans of those
who carried out the attacks before they occured on 9/11, and yet did nothing
to warn the USA?

A: Yes, anything is possible. Is it plausible given the available known
evidence today? No.

22) This is a good number to finish on, numerologically speaking. :) Has the
behaviour and actions of the Bush Neocon Administration post 9/11,
contributed in any way to lack of faith in, or serious doubts about, the
credibility of Bush and Co as to their beliefs, knowledge, openess and
honesty?

A: Oh, yes indeed.
But that is not the same as convincing me that there was/is a criminal
whitewash of the events of 9/11, or of the existence of a major Conspiracy
by anyone outside of OBL Al Queda network, whomever they may be.

I still have an open mind, and am always willing to look at any evidence
anyone would like to produce that may prove my current opinion wrong. Untill
then, imho, it's ALL just idle speculation.
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Brian:
The interesting point still stands for me. What if the the majority of
the population had it proven beyond any doubt?

What would a likely scenario be in such circumstances?

I know, based on the laws of 'group consciousness' that wont happen,
but I enjoy the speculation.

Cheers

BOfL
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SEAN: The opposite is also true brian. What if everyone in the population
was shown incontovertible evidence that Bush & Co, the CIA, business, other
nations etc etc had absolutely nothing to do with it, but it was all Osama
Bin Laden and Mohammed Atta .... would it change anyone's opinion from what
it is today?

Maybe a few. But what would the likely senario be? I speculate that it would
be pretty much the same as it is now mate! Youtube and Cable TV full of
conspiracy theorists.

BTW there was a latenight doco on SBS on the evening of 9/11, which was the
outcome of a real everyday doco being made about a new probationary officer
getting trained at a Fire station in NYC. They attended the WTC on 9/11.

It was more than very interesting. [ the title was just 911 from what i
could see, i missed the first few minutes, later wished i had recorded it ]
Especially amazing when "live on camera" the action was captured on the
ground floor in WTC 2 as WTC 1 collapsed to the ground. To say it was
"intense" human drama is an understatement. I have the greatest admiration
and respect for the FDNY members on that day and after. I have never seen or
imagined anything more courageous than what those men did on 9/11.

Did you know that the "jumpers" bodies hitting the ground & other things
sounded like "bombs or explosions" going off when one was inside the
building?

Those buildings, including WTC7, didn't collapse because of pre-set
demolitions. It's ludicrous, really, it is. The FDNY members may not be
scientists, or explosive experts, but they also aren't complete idiots.

BTW it was some kind of miracle, because they didn't lose one fireman from
their Fire Station. It was truly unbelieveable what that doco captured, I
was speechless for a long time.

I posted this simple video about 77 and the pentagon appraoch on another
reply a few days back, incase you missed it, here's the link again if you ur
interested. 6 mins only.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

take care

Cheers sean