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Author: EdEd Date: Aug 28, 2007 20:14
I just saw a lecture by Cristoff Koch, professor of Neurobiology at U.
of C. on neurobiology and consciousness. Near the end of a very
interesting lecture he showed a quote from a prominent turn-of-the-
century scientist debunking the idea that life could be completely
shaped by genes, then newly discovered. He said "it is inconceivable
that the multitudinous features of life could be explained by a few
nearly homogenous chemicals." It is obvious now that he did not
understand the implications of the microchemistry of complex proteins
and especially RNA and DNA.
Koch used the example to argue that since we do not yet understand the
neurobiology of brains in the deep way we are beginning to understand
DNA, it may not be appropriate to argue that that neurobiology is
insufficient to explain the puzzling phenomenon of consciousness. It
may be that, like DNA, the neuron and its behavior have power that we
do not yet see.
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: Aug 28, 2007 21:21
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:14:04 -0700, Ed earthlink.net> wrote:
>I just saw a lecture by Cristoff Koch, professor of Neurobiology at U.
>of C. on neurobiology and consciousness. Near the end of a very
>interesting lecture he showed a quote from a prominent turn-of...
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Date: Aug 28, 2007 22:50
"Ed" wrote:
> I just saw a lecture by Cristoff Koch, professor of Neurobiology
> at U. of C. on neurobiology and consciousness. Near the end of
> a very interesting lecture he showed a quote from a prominent
> turn-of-the-century scientist debunking the idea that life could be
> completely shaped by genes, then newly discovered. He said
> "it is inconceivable that the multitudinous features of life could be
> explained by a few nearly homogenous chemicals." It is obvious
> now that he did not understand the implications of the microchemistry
> of complex proteins and especially RNA and DNA.
>
> Koch used the example to argue that since we do not yet understand the
> neurobiology of brains in the deep way we are beginning to understand
> DNA, it may not be appropriate to argue that that neurobiology...
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Aug 28, 2007 23:51
> "Ed" wrote:
>> I just saw a lecture by Cristoff Koch, professor of Neurobiology
>> at U. of C. on neurobiology and consciousness. Near the end of
>> a very interesting lecture he showed a quote from a prominent
>> turn-of-the-century scientist debunking the idea that life could be
>> completely shaped by genes, then newly discovered. He said
>> "it is inconceivable that the multitudinous features of life could be
>> explained by a few nearly homogenous chemicals." It is obvious
>> now that he did not understand the implications of the microchemistry
>> of complex proteins and especially RNA and DNA.
>>
>> Koch used the example to argue that since we do not yet understand the
>> neurobiology of brains in the deep way we are beginning to understand
>> DNA, it may not be appropriate to argue that that neurobiology is
>> insufficient to explain the puzzling phenomenon of consciousness.
>> It may be that, like DNA, the neuron and its behavior have power that
>> we do not yet see.
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Author: toolytooly Date: Aug 29, 2007 06:18
>> "Ed" wrote:
>>> I just saw a lecture by Cristoff Koch, professor of Neurobiology
>>> at U. of C. on neurobiology and consciousness. Near the end of
>>> a very interesting lecture he showed a quote from a prominent
>>> turn-of-the-century scientist debunking the idea that life could be
>>> completely shaped by genes, then newly discovered. He said
>>> "it is inconceivable that the multitudinous features of life could be
>>> explained by a few nearly homogenous chemicals." It is obvious
>>> now that he did not understand the implications of the microchemistry
>>> of complex proteins and especially RNA and DNA.
>>>
>>> Koch used the example to argue that since we do not yet understand the
>>> neurobiology of brains in the deep way we are beginning to understand
>>> DNA, it may not be appropriate to argue that that neurobiology is
>>> insufficient to explain the puzzling phenomenon of consciousness. ...
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Author: ErrolErrol Date: Aug 29, 2007 07:20
On Aug 29, 3:18 pm, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:>>> "Ed" wrote:
>>>> I just saw a lecture by Cristoff Koch, professor of Neurobiology
>>>> at U. of C. on neurobiology and consciousness. Near the end of
>>>> a very interesting lecture he showed a quote from a prominent
>>>> turn-of-the-century scientist debunking the idea that life could be
>>>> completely shaped by genes, then newly discovered. He said
>>>> "it is inconceivable that the multitudinous features of life could be ...
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Author: EdEd Date: Aug 29, 2007 07:22
On Aug 29, 1:50 am, "andy-k" wrote:
> "Ed" wrote:
>> I just saw a lecture by Cristoff Koch, professor of Neurobiology
>> at U. of C. on neurobiology and consciousness. Near the end of
>> a very interesting lecture he showed a quote from a prominent
>> turn-of-the-century scientist debunking the idea that life could be
>> completely shaped by genes, then newly discovered. He said
>> "it is inconceivable that the multitudinous features of life could be
>> explained by a few nearly homogenous chemicals." It is obvious
>> now that he did not understand the implications of the microchemistry
>> of complex proteins and especially RNA and DNA.
>
>> Koch used the example to argue that since we do not yet understand the
>> neurobiology of brains in the deep way we are beginning to understand
>> DNA, it may not be appropriate to argue that that neurobiology is
>> insufficient to explain the puzzling phenomenon of consciousness.
>> It may be that, like DNA, the neuron and its behavior have power that
>> we do not yet see.
>
> In this paper Galen Strawson argues that those who find consciousness ...
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Author: EdEd Date: Aug 29, 2007 07:27
On Aug 29, 2:51 am, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:>> "Ed" wrote:
>>> I just saw a lecture by Cristoff Koch, professor of Neurobiology
>>> at U. of C. on neurobiology and consciousness. Near the end of
>>> a very interesting lecture he showed a quote from a prominent
>>> turn-of-the-century scientist debunking the idea that life could be
>>> completely shaped by genes, then newly discovered. He said
>>> "it is inconceivable that the multitudinous features of life could be
>>> explained by a few nearly homogenous chemicals." It is obvious
>>> now that he did not understand the implications of the microchemistry
>>> of complex proteins and especially RNA and DNA.
>
>>> Koch used the example to argue that since we do not yet understand the
>>> neurobiology of brains in the deep way we are beginning to understand ...
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Aug 29, 2007 07:48
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:14:04 -0700, Ed wrote:
> It may be that, like DNA, the neuron and its behavior have power that we
> do not yet see.
Excellent.
With every new discovery, there is a rush to cram everything into into it.
Now we have 'humans = brain = computer'.
I feel ( more than 'think', unfortunately) that electricity is a grand
gateway. Maybe electric is the universal sameness while chemical is the
universal difference.
Anyway it is good to read such an open ended invitation to discovery.
Sometimes it is hard to keep in mind how exciting reasoned mystery can be.
Thanks.
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: Aug 29, 2007 07:53
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:18:34 -0400, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:
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>> "andy-k" wrote in message
>> news:JO7Bi.39413$S91.9822@newsfe7...
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