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Author: rscanrscan Date: Aug 6, 2007 16:52
Motor programs in the brain
The first motor program generator (central pattern generator) was
demonstrated by Wilson in 1961. He showed that an ensemble of neurons
produced the muscular action required for locust wing action. Since
then a great deal of work has been done, mostly with invertebrates,
and with simple circuits. None question that the neural circuits
involved are constructed by the genome. The molecular activity
involved in such construction of circuitry by the genome is beyond
present analysis, but many believe that it will be done.
In vertebrates, the circuitry largely defies analysis, being
exemplified by populations rather than by individual neurons.
Here is a list of the major motor pattern generators and their
approximate location within the central nervous system; all cribbed
from Larry Swanson.
Breathing: ventral medulla/upper cervical cord.
Orofaciopharyngeal movements; facial expression, vocalization,
licking, chewing, and swallowing: parvicellular reticular nucleus
(dorsolateral hindbrain).
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Author: r normanr norman Date: Aug 6, 2007 17:48
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:52:01 -0700, "rscan@ nycap.rr.com"
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>Motor programs in the brain
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>The first motor program generator (central pattern generator) was
>demonstrated by Wilson in 1961. He showed that an ensemble of neurons
>produced the muscular action required...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Aug 6, 2007 19:25
On Aug 6, 4:52 pm, "rs...@ nycap.rr.com" nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> Motor programs in the brain
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> The first motor program generator (central pattern generator) was
> demonstrated by Wilson in 1961. He showed that an ensemble of neurons
> produced the muscular action required for locust wing action. Since
> then a great deal of work has been done, mostly with invertebrates,
> and with simple circuits. None question that the neural circuits
> involved are constructed by the genome.
> The molecular activity
> involved in such construction of circuitry by the genome is beyond
> present analysis, but many believe that it will be done.
>
There is much known about this process and you should review some
popular embryology books, even at the public library, these include
the direction of the assembly of these circuits by the genes by,
chemical gradients attracting particular cells to do particular
things, cell multiplication, cell type formation, etc,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryology
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Aug 6, 2007 19:31
On Aug 6, 5:48 pm, r norman _comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:52:01 -0700, "rs...@ nycap.rr.com"
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>>Motor programs in the brain
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>>The first motor program generator (central pattern generator) was
>>demonstrated by Wilson in 1961. He showed that an ensemble of neurons
>>produced the muscular action required for locust wing action. Since
>>then a great deal of work has been done, mostly with invertebrates,
>>and with simple circuits. None question that the neural circuits
>>involved are constructed by the genome. The molecular activity
>>involved in such construction of circuitry by the genome is beyond
>>present analysis, but many believe that it will be done.
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>>In vertebrates, the circuitry largely defies analysis, being ...
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Author: WolfWolf Date: Aug 7, 2007 06:37
> Motor programs in the brain
[snip summary]
> Some list! Since none seem to question that invertebrate motor pattern
> generators are constructed by the genome, why should we question
> similar construction by the genome in vertebrates (including man, of
> course). The shift from individual neurons to populations of neurons
> is fundamentally trivial. Also trivial (except to anatomists) is to
> extend the "brain" to include the spinal cord. I so do.
The shift to neural groups or clusters (a term I prefer to
'populations') is not at all trivial, especially since it's quite clear
that that in vertebrates environmental factors are essential to the
proper development of the brain, including of course those motor
programs. IOW, the structure of those clusters de[ends on environmental
inputs. The vertebrate learns how to move. This does not abrogate the
function of the genome, but does change it. As a matter of fact, there
is evidence that the genome's function depends crucially on external
inputs, even in invertebrates.
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Author: BenjaminBenjamin Date: Aug 7, 2007 14:04
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In mammalian nervous systems, there's
an enormous over-production of cells,
that's subsequently whittled-down dur-
ing the course of experience, and which
has been verified to occur differentially
with respect to experience. Rats [and
humans] that experience "rich" envir-
onments end up with nervous systems
that have relatively-more neurons 'wired-
up' in relatively-more-complex ways.
What this Proves is that 'the genome'
maps =generalized= processors, the
functionings of which are tuned by ex-
perience.
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Author: Michael GordgeMichael Gordge Date: Aug 7, 2007 14:13
On Aug 7, 8:52 am, "rs...@ nycap.rr.com" nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> Motor programs in the brain
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> The first motor program generator (central pattern generator) was
> demonstrated by Wilson in 1961. He showed that an ensemble of neurons
> produced the muscular action required for locust wing action.
So what kick starts the motor? existence or nothing?
MG
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Author: rscanrscan Date: Aug 7, 2007 14:59
On Aug 6, 8:48 pm, r norman _comcast.net> wrote:
> However you seem to swing the pendulum far too much in
> denying any influence of learning, a process that can easily modify or
> modulate genetically determined circuits. Why not go for the middle
> ground and say that genetically programmed patterns, as modified by
> conditioning and learning, underlie a lot of vertebrate and mammalian
> and primate and hominoid (and human) activity. Nonetheless, you also
> do have to concede that there is also a separate enormous pattern of
> behavior especially in the latter group of the above mentioned animals
> that is essentially completely learned. Even something like bird song
> varies tremendously in the relative significance of genetic
> programming and learning.
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Author: r normanr norman Date: Aug 7, 2007 15:11
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:59:13 -0700, "rscan@ nycap.rr.com"
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>On Aug 6, 8:48 pm, r norman _comcast.net> wrote:
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>> However you seem to swing the pendulum far too much in
>> denying any influence of learning, a process that can easily modify or
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Author: Glen M. SizemoreGlen M. Sizemore Date: Aug 8, 2007 02:03
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> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:59:13 -0700, "rscan@ nycap.rr.com"
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>>On Aug 6, 8:48 pm, r norman _comcast.net> wrote:
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>>> However you seem to swing the pendulum far too much in
>>> denying any influence of learning, a process that can easily modify or
>>> modulate genetically determined circuits. Why not go for the middle
>>> ground and say that genetically programmed patterns, as modified by
>>> conditioning and learning, underlie a lot of vertebrate and mammalian
>>> and primate and hominoid (and human) activity. Nonetheless, you also
>>> do have to concede that there is also a separate enormous pattern of
>>> behavior especially in the latter group of the above mentioned animals
>>> that is essentially completely learned. Even something like bird song
>>> varies tremendously in the relative significance of genetic
>>> programming and learning.
>> ...
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