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Re: Mind/Body Problem         


Author: Ed
Date: Jan 27, 2008 12:46

On Jan 27, 10:19 am, "andy-k" wrote:
> By what criteria are phenomena (using that word as generally as possible)
> assigned to the categories of 'mental' and 'physical'?

One possible way of dividing them is to find brain activity (with an
EKG or similar) which is not accompanied by muscle signals; that would
be "mental". Everything else would be "physical".

This would make a lot human activity, including REM sleep,
"physical". Unconscious brain activity would sometimes be "mental" as
well as pure "thinking". What about just thinking while pacing?

Clearly the distinction doesn't add much to our picture of what's
going on.
Ed
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Re: Mind/Body Problem         


Author: casey
Date: Jan 27, 2008 13:49

>> By what criteria are phenomena (using that word as
>> generally as possible) assigned to the categories of
>> 'mental' and 'physical'?

On Jan 28, 7:46 am, Ed earthlink.net> wrote:
> One possible way of dividing them is to find brain
> activity (with an EKG or similar) which is not
> accompanied by muscle signals; that would be "mental".
> Everything else would be "physical".
>
> This would make a lot human activity, including REM
> sleep, "physical". Unconscious brain activity would
> sometimes be "mental" as well as pure "thinking".
> What about just thinking while pacing?
>
>
> Clearly the distinction doesn't add much to our
> picture of what's going on.
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Re: Mind/Body Problem         


Author: Ed
Date: Jan 27, 2008 14:42

On Jan 27, 4:49 pm, casey yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>> By what criteria are phenomena (using that word as
>>> generally as possible) assigned to the categories of
>>> 'mental' and 'physical'?
>
> On Jan 28, 7:46 am, Ed earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> One possible way of dividing them is to find brain
>> activity (with an EKG or similar) which is not
>> accompanied by muscle signals; that would be "mental".
>> Everything else would be "physical".
>
>> This would make a lot human activity, including REM
>> sleep, "physical".  Unconscious brain activity would
>> sometimes be "mental" as well as pure "thinking".
>> What about just thinking while pacing?
>
>> Clearly the distinction doesn't add much to our
>> picture of what's going on.
> ...
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Re: Mind/Body Problem         


Author: casey
Date: Jan 27, 2008 15:36

On Jan 28, 9:42 am, Ed earthlink.net> wrote:
> There does not seem to me to be any way to map the
> kinds of things we associate with the word "physical",
> as used in common speech, and the kinds of things we
> associate with the word "mental" so that they wind up
> as separate.

There are no mental objects only mental activities.
When we say we have a pain experience, a red experience,
a happy feeling, we are talking things that are happening
in our head not about physical things in our head.

So mental events are physical in the same sense that
velocity is physical or dancing is physical. It involves
a physical activity not a physical thing.

So we have to map mental events to physical events not
to physical things like neurons or brains. We have to
map them to some high level patterns of behavior of
neurons or brains.
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