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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Jun 27, 2008 11:13
for an intelligent rational population. And if the Libertarians ever
find one, I hope they will show us how their system works. But in the
Untied States of Denial, the population is irrational, mentally
deficient, and barely educated.
As we see from the postings, Libertarianism is only understood by
smart, sane well educated people. Who are also honest. But there are
way too many dishonest people in positions of power among us for the
free market principles of Libertarians.
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Author: Fred WeissFred Weiss Date: Jun 28, 2008 19:02
On Jun 27, 2:13 pm, Day Brown daybrown.org> wrote:
> for an intelligent rational population. And if the Libertarians ever
> find one, I hope they will show us how their system works. But in the
> Untied States of Denial, the population is irrational, mentally
> deficient, and barely educated.
>
> As we see from the postings, Libertarianism is only understood by
> smart, sane well educated people. Who are also honest. But there are
> way too many dishonest people in positions of power among us for the
> free market principles of Libertarians.
If the people in power are dishonest, how can the system work?
On the other hand, if it is true as Lord Acton said, "All power
corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely”, it argues for placing
strict limits on the exercise of power.
That in fact is one of the underlying premises of the argument for
"limited gov't" and the basis for the American system of gov't (which
it is my preference not to call "Libertarianism" for technical reasons
I don't need to get into here).
Fred Weiss
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Author: Les CargillLes Cargill Date: Jun 28, 2008 20:18
Fred Weiss wrote:
> On Jun 27, 2:13 pm, Day Brown daybrown.org> wrote:
> >> for an intelligent rational population. And if the Libertarians ever
>> find one, I hope they will show us how their system works. But in the
>> Untied States of Denial, the population is irrational, mentally
>> deficient, and barely educated.
>>
>> As we see from the postings, Libertarianism is only understood by
>> smart, sane well educated people. Who are also honest. But there are
>> way too many dishonest people in positions of power among us for the
>> free market principles of Libertarians.
>
> If the people in power are dishonest, how can the system work?
>
When the people gain power by using media channels which are themselves
predicated on dishonesty...
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Author: Les CargillLes Cargill Date: Jun 28, 2008 20:29
Day Brown wrote:
> for an intelligent rational population. And if the Libertarians ever
> find one, I hope they will show us how their system works. But in the
> Untied States of Denial, the population is irrational, mentally
> deficient, and barely educated.
>
They know better than you think they do. As it played out, the 2004
election showed me that the people were *way* ahead of the
pros. That election was set about July.
They, as always, showed an interest in self-interest. As they saw it.
Politics used to be *ward* politics. Boss Tweed et al acted as
clearinghouses for information from the grass roots. TR made it all
abstract and shining-armor, as an electoral gambit. It worked.
Life does not happen on clean stainless steel. Life is compromise,
and that's what ward politicians did. We used to didn't start with
some Platonic solid, then try to fill it.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jun 28, 2008 23:21
On Jun 27, 11:13 am, Day Brown daybrown.org> wrote:> for an intelligent rational population. And if the Libertarians ever
> find one, I hope they will show us how their system works. But in the
> Untied States of Denial, the population is irrational, mentally
> deficient, and barely educated.
>
> As we see from the postings, Libertarianism is only understood by
> smart, sane well educated people. Who are also honest. But there are
> way too many dishonest people in positions of power among us for the
> free market principles of Libertarians.
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Critics of the economic system favored by libertarians, laissez-faire
capitalism, argue that market failures justify government intervention
in the economy, that nonintervention leads to monopolies and stifled
innovation, or that unregulated markets are economically unstable.
They argue that advances in economics since Adam Smith show that
people's actions are not always rational, that markets do not always
produce the best or most efficient outcome, and that redistribution of
wealth can improve economic health.
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Jun 28, 2008 23:46
"The term "libertarianism" in the above political sense has been in
widespread use since the 1950s. Originally, in the 18th century, it
referred to the philosophical doctrine of free will, as opposed to
that of determinism. In that meaning libertarianism is opposed to
necessitarianism (see Libertarian free will). Later, in the 19th
century, the word was applied to political usage.
The term's political meaning is a result of some French anarchists'
adopting libertaire as an alternative term for their ideas after the
French government banned anarchism. It was first used in print in...
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Jun 29, 2008 05:18
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:13:38 -0500, Day Brown wrote:
> for an intelligent rational population. And if the Libertarians ever
> find one, I hope they will show us how their system works. But in the
> Untied States of Denial, the population is irrational, mentally
> deficient, and barely educated.
You may take a note here.. this attitude of disdain was and is prevalent
among Ron Paul supporters, contrary to Ron Paul himself.
How are such 'libertarians' to be taken seriously when they openly
profess such hostility and elitism?
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Author: orangatang1orangatang1 Date: Jun 29, 2008 08:02
On 29 Jun, 07:21, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jun 27, 11:13 am, Day Brown daybrown.org> wrote:
>>> for an intelligent rational population. And if the Libertarians ever
>> find one, I hope they will show us how their system works. But in the
>> Untied States of Denial, the population is irrational, mentally
>> deficient, and barely educated.
>
>> As we see from the postings, Libertarianism is only understood by
>> smart, sane well educated people. Who are also honest. But there are
>> way too many dishonest people in positions of power among us for the
>> free market principles of Libertarians.
>> ---- Posted via Pronews.com - Premium Corporate Usenet News Provider ---- http://www.pronews.comofferscorporate packages that have access to 100,000...
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Author: orangatang1orangatang1 Date: Jun 29, 2008 09:41
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:02:04 -0700 (PDT), orangata...@ googlemail.com
> wrote:
> >>> Critics of the economic system favored by libertarians, laissez-faire
>>> capitalism, argue that market failures justify government intervention
>
>>government intervention prolongs recessions and prevents necessary
>>market corrections.
>
> And the easter bunny and Santa Claus still exist.
the rescue requires money be taken away
interventionism is taking money away from profitable businesses and
giving it to unprofitable ones. unless the failing businesses become
profitable this must be done continually and results in the sound
businesses become less competative.
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Author: ClaveClave Date: Jun 29, 2008 11:52
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> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:41:07 -0700 (PDT), orangatang1@ googlemail.com
> wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:02:04 -0700 (PDT), orangata...@ googlemail.com
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>> Critics of the economic system favored by libertarians, laissez-faire
>>>>> capitalism, argue that market failures justify government
>>>>> intervention
>>>
>>>>government intervention prolongs recessions and prevents necessary
>>>>market corrections.
>>>
>>> And the easter bunny and Santa Claus still exist.
>>the rescue requires money be taken away
>>
>>interventionism is taking money away from profitable businesses and ...
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