>>>Oh, not at all. Mr. Goldberg is welcome to babble all he wishes.
>>>Helps to prove the point that he's talking nonsense.
No, Naziism was beaten not by socialists or communists, but by the
Russian
people, the British armed forces and the US armed forces. Socialists
and
communists chose to back Hitler and oppose Western efforts to fight
Naziism
when they had the freedom to chose. Later, when their policies
brought the
world to the brink, acting out of selfish self-preservation, they
chose to
let others fight for them, and force others to fight for them.
Let's have a look at some examples:
(i) Liberal opinion opposes standing up to Naziism.
Archibald Sinclair delivered
a long speech in parliament on "the question of private profits being
made
out of the means of death" and expressed astonishment at Churchill's
"dangerous argument" that vast sums should be spent on the RAF "in
view of
the financial conditions of this country and the intolerable burdens
of
our national debt and taxation."
(ii) socialist opinion tries to ensure Britain is defenceless before
Nazi aggression
In 1935, the White Paper issued by HMG
on 4th March announced plans to expedite air force increases and
proposed
a major additional defense application. Churchill was elated, Hitler
was
furious, the Labour MPs, led by Atlee, moved to censure, but were
roundly
defeated, and an air estimates debate scheduled for Tuesday 19th
March.
Page 134, "Shoals", "The Last Lion: Alone" William Manchester.
In this debate, Churchill attacked the govt, calling for RAF expansion
to be
doubled. "Atlee's Labourites were furious", writes Manchester. In
March,
Hitler himself had told Sir John Simon and Anthony Eden that the
Luftwaffe
had gained parity. But german intelligence had overestimated the
number of
aircraft we had by more than 200%%. They were far ahead of us, yet
this same
Atlee was "furious" at efforts to rearm. [Page 136, ibid]
William Manchester writes: "Even as Labour and Liberal pacifists were
fuming that Baldwin, prodded by the warmonger Churchill, was
returning
England to its militant imperial past, genuine militarism was forming
in
ranks on a riverbank 375 miles to the East." Germany was marching
into
the Rhineland. Here we have evidence of Labourite sabotage of our
rearmament effort, made at the same time as the invasion of the
Rhineland. AFTER this, Lloyd-George stated that the invasion was
made
after provocation of the Narzis (presumably we hadn't disarmed fast
enough)
and socialist peer Lord Snowden said the Nazis were "only going into
their
back yard."
(iii) socialist and liberal opinion, thwarted in their efforts to
prevent Britain
from re-arming, tries to prevent HMG raising an army to fight Naziism.
Churchill records that: "In the debate the Opposition failed in their
duty. Both Labour and Liberal parties shrank from facing the ancient
and deep rooted prejudice which has always existed in England against
compulsory military service, and their leaders found reasons for
opposing this step.
Both these men were distressed at the course they felt bound on party
grounds to take. But they both took it, and adduced a wealth of
reasons.
The division was on party lines, and the Conservative Party carried
their policy by 380 to 143 votes. In my speech I tried my best to
persuade the Opposition to support this indispensible measure; but
my efforts were in vain."
All that waffle means Liberal and Labour MPs voted *against*
conscription on the eve of the war.
(iii) Communists make a pact with Hitler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov-Ribbentrop_Pact
(iv) Communists help the Nazis subdue Poland
ARMAGEDDON by Clive Ponting, ISBN 0-679-43602-2, page 225:
"The country that suffered the most under occupation was Poland.
After
it was partitioned in September 1939, there is no doubt that
conditions
in the Soviet area were far worse than in the west under German rule.
By 1941 the Soviets had killed about four times as many Poles as the
Germans (about 480,00 compared with 120,000) and this from a
population
about half the size of that controlled by Germany. Three separate
Soviet mass deportations removed over 1 million Poles, mainly from
the
intellectual and political elite, and overall about 10%% of all adult
males in the Soviet controlled territories were imprisoned and
tortured.
At Boryslaw people were killed by having their mouths sewn together
by
barbed wire, or their eyes gouged out, or by being pushed into
boiling
water."
"When the Germans invaded in June 1941 all prisoners were either
killed
or deported by the Soviets; at Lvov prison 12,400 were killed out of
a
total of 13,000 inmates."
(v) Communists help U-Boats sink British shipping
"Germam naval forces were able to use Murmansk
as a base. In return, the Soviets received metal
and electrical products, together with military
equipment"
page 37, ARMAGEDDON by Clive Ponting, ISBN 0-679-43602-2
==
"During April his deliveries of raw materials to Germany reached
their
highest since the signing of the Nazi-Soviet in August 1939: 208,000
tons of grain, 90,000 tons of fuel oil, 8,300 tons of cotton, 6,340
tons of copper, tin, nickel, and other metals, and 4,000 tons of
rubber."
The Second World War, John Keegan, ISBN 0-14-011341-X
(vi) Communists help sabotage Western resistance to Naziism
"During the 1939 to 1941 period, attacks on the British were
encouraged, but
no mention even of the word 'fascism' was allowed."
The Great Terror A Reassessment, Robert Conquest ISBN 0-19-507132-8,
page 453.
==
Fighter: A Pictorial History of International Fighter Aircraft
by Bill Gunston
page 30:
"Communists tried to make sure that each fighter coming off the
assembly line lacked a propellor, or some other vital part. Thus,
the Armee de l'Air was seriously weakened in its desperate fight in
spring 1940. Moreover, its fighters were in most respects
inferior..."
(vii) Socialists support HMG's appeasement of Naziism
Violet Bonham Carter "suggested that during the afternoon a
few of use should draft a telegram to the Prime Minister
adjuring him to make no further concessions at the expense
of the Czechs and warning him that of he did so he would have
to fight the Commons on his return". The wire was to have
been signed by, among others, Churchill .. Attlee, Archie
Sinclair, Eden, Liddel Hart, Lloyd George, and Lord Lloyd.
It was drafted - eliminating the threat and at 7:00 PM
they again met at the Savoy. Winston then called for
signatures, and Sinclair, Lloyd, and Cecil came quickly
forward."
Attlee refused to sign the telegram, declaring that he
would need the approval of his party. This suggests, then,
that Labour's condemnation of Appeasement could not be
taken for granted. Lacking the broad base necessary,
the telegram wasn't sent. Nicolson wrote "As far as
one can see, Hitler gets everything he wants".
VBC continues: "Winston remained, sitting in his chair immobile,
like a man of stone. I saw the tears in his eyes. At last
Churchill spoke - "What are they made of?" He was referring to
the Appeasers, including Attlee.
"The day is not far off when it won't be signatures we have
to give but lives - the lives of milions. Can we survive?
Do we deserve to do so when there's no courage anywhere?"
page 350, WINSTON SPENCER CHURCHILL THE LAST LION: ALONE
