i'm reading some of the propaganda against modern israel in this n.g.,
and i perceive it reeks of some false pretense, as if descendants of
jews have no real property right to the land of modern israel

well, is it not the fact that

explorers and settlers from "civilized" europe are not innocent re the
elimination and/or forced re-location of various native peoples in the
the americas, australia, and africa, which has undergone re-taking or
de-colonialzation of european descendant rulers in the second half of
the 20th century ?

as previously noted, i'm a relativist, and that's how i subjectively
personally judge these phenomena, because i suppose absolutism is
idealism and near insanity

if i were an absolutist, i would hold that all ye of european ancestry
ought to return to europe, and ought to make reparations to the living
remnants of native tribes who were conquered

a proverb or motto or cliche heard in the u.s.black community culture
now comes to my terrific mini-mind for which my opponent would regard
as my mis-understanding of: historical nuance, politcally correct
sanctimony, and moral hypocrisy:

On Oct 5, 12:27 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:

There is absolutely no comparison with Israel. The Jews who came to
Palestine *purchased* the land they settled and developed. They
transformed an essentially desert wasteland into a veritable "land of
milk and honey" which attracted throngs of Arabs from neighboring
areas. The Jews therefore have as much right to be considered
"Palestinians" (if that term has any valid meaning) as the Arabs, nor
can the Arabs be considered the "native tribe". That is pure Arab
propaganda.

It was the Arabs who fled Israel in droves in the hopes that the
massed Arab armies would annihilate it. Israel then didn' t take
kindly - as no country would - to the idea that they should welcome
their enemies back in where they could become an internal menace to
the newly formed country. These then so-called "Palestinians refugees"
are a purely political entity, sustained for 60 years by wealthy Arab
countries for their anti-Israel propaganda value.

Truth is, this is a "people" thing.

In that particular arena, the battle has been going on since Biblical times.

What a wake up, when one realizes that someone jewish.."with attitude" is
reborn as an "arab" with attitude.

The common ground being geographical, and attitudenal.

And the beat goes on ......

BOfL
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On Oct 5, 12:27 am, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:

How far back should we take this. Should the Romans repay the
Carthaginians? Should the Greek repay the Persians? And in like
manner the Persians repay the Greeks (those who lived in Asian
Minor)? ...

Perhaps you've been reading and listening to way too much propaganda long
before you thought you saw any on this ng Robert? The study of human history
and methods of propaganda are interesting subjects. I'd encourage you to
consider looking deeper into both. I agree, what goes around comes around.
But, sometimes, most times, folks just don't see the connection in the here
and now. :)

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On Oct 5, 11:40 am, "Sean" blah.com.au> wrote:

On Oct 5, 2:43 pm, Robert Cohen msn.com> wrote:

Imagine that the British Isles was ruled by a foreign power since the
10th century BC - say Spain. Lets imagine that during the early part
of the 20th century Spain lost control of the British Isles to
Ireland, who wished to return it to its rightful owners. Before it
left it decided that the people who had control of "England" in the
4th and 5th centuries were now in Wales and Cornwall. Because of this
they give "england" to the Welsh and the Cornish in 1948 - all the
English are left disenfranchised, many have to flee to their
"ancestral" Germany. The Germans hate them as they feel they do not
belong there. The Cornish and the Welsh are happy to receive
"england" as they feel they are the rightful owners of the land. Once
again British belongs to the Celts and everyone except the English...