On Aug 13, 9:03Â am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:
> Jungle law is an underpinning for a type of social and political
> philosophy, it seems. Â Here, on this NewsGroup and I suspect radio and TV
> shows, it serves as a rational for many things but most typically that of
> either racial or cultural animosity. So I am going to say a few things
> about it.
>
> I will be setting up a "Straw Man". However any position that seems out
> of bounds with what is believed I hope will be pointed out by others.
>
> What It Is:
>
> "Law Of The Jungle" is a recognition of 'real life'. How humans really
> are. It is a 'brutal truth' in nature and as such all of human nature.
>
> The base tenets to Jungle Law are: Kill or be killed. Dominate or be
> dominated. Â The contention is between some 'natural group' and another
> 'natural group'. The Natural Group usually is drawn along racial lines
> but it also can be drawn along lines of ethnicity or nationality or both
> or all.
>
> Weakness, according to this Law, is any human virtue or property
> that does not operate from these natural Jungle tenets. Whatever human
> value violates Jungle Law, even though laudable, can only mean doom for
> the group. Anyone in the group who does not believe this to be so are
> stupid, ignorant, naive or they are part of the enemy group.
>
> Finally, "Law Of The Jungle" is a burden that must be taken up. Even
> though the superior group is above this law in virtue and cultural or
> racial sophistication, the group MUST still 'sadly' abide by it because
> the other groups, being inferior, know no other law or will not operate
> under any other. Survival, it seems, does not depend on 'higher' values
> but upon the lowest.
>
> That then, in short, is the "Law Of The Jungle".
>
> What It REALLY Is:
>
> To address this, the metaphor has to be abolished.
>
> A jungle is a type of environment. Only certain types of things can live
> there and many of them are very hazardous to all human beings.
>
> A jungle 'has' no law. Law is a human product. In the jungle certain
> behaviors of things, like animals, seem consistent to an observer which
> then are called 'laws' which they are not. They are behaviors that seem
> consistent to a observer who classifies them, that is all.
>
> No animal kills in order not to be killed. Animal kill in order to eat
> and, rarely, to mate. 'Higher' order animals like mammals kill rarely
> given their total time alive. It may make for good nature footage but the
> fact is killing takes a huge amount of energy. Most animals will scavenge
> before they will kill if they can. When they do kill they will go after
> the weakest and easiest thing they can find usually.
>
> No species of mammal 'dominates' another. Ants do but not mammals. The
> lion does not 'dominate' the wildebeest. Dominance, as it is called,
> takes place inside of the group not between groups. A animal group will
> try to 'dominate' a resource, not another group but even then the
> interest leaves as the need is filled.
>
> In short, animals fed, quenched and well fucked do not attack each other.
> If there is a human lesson to be learned from the jungle, this might be
> it.
>
> "The Law Of The Jungle" is yet another metaphor gone bad. It holds no
> reasonable universal or natural justification for the killing or
> domination of another group. It is pure contrivance and moral cowardice.
>
> I will leave it here for now.
I hate to rain on your parade. It depends on the size of the
environment and the flexibility of the creatures. You have an
idealistic notion of biology; in a given environment, there may be
hundreds of extinctions per year.
Given the human international environment, we don't have to use
creatures who's existence is precarious enough, just that fact that
states live amongst each other in a state of anarchy says enough about
what can and is likely to happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_realism