On Thu, 29 May 2008 12:32:13 -0700 (PDT), saint7peter@
hotmail.com
wrote:
>On May 29, 12:04Â pm, Aaron
home.net> wrote:>>
>>> Since you believe in Jesus of Nazareth, you could not be Jewish.
>>
>> A person can be Jewish and believe that the Messiah has already come.
>> That Jew can even be mistaken about whom he believes to be the
>> Messiah. Â However, if that person rejects the Torah that person cannot
>> be Jewish. Â Specifically to this question: if that person prays to or
>> worships the person that he believes to be the Messiah, that person
>> has committed idolatry and cannot be Jewish.
>
>You confuse the Torah with your interpretation of the Torah, or, by
>extension, someone else's intepretation of the Torah. Those
>interpretations did not come from God directly. They are strictly the
>product of men struggling to understand the events attributed to God
>in the Torah.
You are grossly mistaken. There is no matter of interpretation on
this point. The Torah specifically excludes
>It is to be assumed that any one interpretation will be
>inadequate, and that is why authentic Judaism emphasizes dialectic and
>unending inquiry into the depth of the mystery of God. You cut that
>inquiry short by rejecting someone with whom you disagree, even though
>you cannot deny that Jesus was controversial and therefore relevant in
>the real sense of Jewish inquiry.
Again you are mistaken. If you had done any Talmud study, preferably
in Yeshiva or at least in a group lead by a competent rabbi, you would
know that discussions end. You would also know that many arguements
end with both parties admiting that while they still disagree, the
other's position could be supported by the Tanakh. Other discussion
end with one party's position being demonstrated to be untenable
(unsupportable using the Tanakh). You are confusing Judaism with
Hagelian philosophy
>Jews cannot even attain to the
>level of Messiah, so no Jew can understand Messiah, as you claim to.
>Perhaps He is God. You can't know that, because as a Jew you are
>limited to Neshamah and He, if He is the Messiah, is on the level of
>Yechidah, two levels above you. This is all according to consensus
>Jewish tradition.
Jews can understand Messiah far better than any Christian can
understand Him. Christians use Pagan theosophies such as
Trinitarianism to redefine God, and they reject or ignore most of the
Tanakh and most of the Bsorat (Gospels). As a result, Christianity
has no basis for understanding Messiah, that is why most, if not all,
Christian denominations officially apply to Him the definition of a
FALSE-prophet while simultaneously worshiping Him against His explicit
instructions.
>
>> Buddhism is a form of Atheism (the belief that there are no gods) that
>> holds to the cosmology of Hinduism. Â While Buddhists are tasught to be
>> tolerant of those who disagree with them, their atheistic belief and
>> their cosmology are not compatable with any Theistic religion.
>
>You are ignorant of Buddhism. I was initiated through enlightement by
>Roshi Philip Kapleau, a Jew who meditated for nine years in Temples in
>Japan. The Buddhist view on God is like the Buddhist view on
>scriptures: only after enlightenment are they to be considered.
You obviously have no clue as to the theology of Buddhism.
>
>> Calling YHVH (there is no J in Hebrew) "the evil one" is blasphemy by
>> all normative Christian standards as well as Jewish standards.
>
>The correct English transliteration is JHVH, or shall we call you a
>Yew?
Obviously, you don't speak Hebrew.
"Jew" is an English word. The Hebrew word id "Yhudi."
>
>> The Christian Bible is actually more compatable with Judaism than it
>> is with Christianity. Â Most, if not all, of the elements of
>> Christianity that are opposed by Judaism are opposed by the "New
>> Testament." Â Even Rabbi Shaul's writings are very anti-Christian if
>> read literally using their cultural context as an aid in translation.
>
>This is a very big lie invented by the Jewish institution of lower
>learning. To put in another way, you wish. This is another form of
>the false Jewish "mindfuck."
Aside from your inability to express yourself without profanity, you
have said nothing. Most Christian customs and worship practices are
forbidden in Deiteronomy 12 which Messiah says is still in effect and
always will be in Matthew 5:17-19. According to the Christian Bible,
Followers of Messiah are still required to eat Kosher, celebrate the
Holy Days (Passover, Shavuot, Rosh HaShannah, Sukkot, and the rest
that are founs in the Tanakh), to wear tzitzoyot, to lay tfillin, to
circumcise our baby boys, to give offerings (if you don't understand
this you demonstate hoe Christians do not understand Messiah), and all
the rest of the 365 Positive Commandments. Interestingly, if you take
Yshuu`a's actions as an example of what we are to do, then add
Channukah to the list of required Holy Day since He celebrated it in
the Bsorat Yochanan. Followers of Messiah are also forbidden from
taking Communion/Mass, from celebrating Christmas, Easter, Lent,
Advent and any other Pagan feast or ritual that has been assimilated
by Christianity, from using the Cross of Tammuz/Mithra
(Babylonian/persian "sungod") as a "holy" symbol, from useing the fish
of Ichthus (Babylonian fish-god) as a holy symbol, from using a
rosary, from praying to Messiah, from praying to the Holy Spirit, from
praying to dead people, from praying to angels, from worshipping dead
people, angels or Messiah, from declaring people to be "saints (as in
"saved people")" since that required passing judgement on their souls
which Yshu`a forbid.
The fact that you seem to be having trouble with your mind is not a
matter of Jewish people doing anything it is a matter of your
subconcious recognition of the fact that your postion cannot be
supported biblically.
>
>> Most forms of Christianity are not compatable with other forms of
>> Christianity LOL Â That is why they have 38,000+ denominations!
>
>The Jewish claim to unity is false in reality. It is part of the
>false Jewish "mindfuck."
>aren't.
I have never heard of a "Jewish claim to unity" other than the fact
that we can respect differing opinions that culd be supported by the
Tanakh even if we feel the majority of the evidence supports our own
position. Certianly the 3500+ year history of Judaism has resulted in
5 or 6 sects whereas the 1667 year history of Christianity (counting
the official invention/establishment of Catholicism as the begining)
has resulted in 38,000+ denominations.
I never stated that all forms of Judaism are compatable. Obviously
non-Messianic Jews, Lubavitchers, and Messianic Jews do not agree as
to the identity of Messiah. These disagreements sometimes laed to
incompatability. Though I do know a Messianic Jew who attends Chabad,
the Rabbi knows that the man is Messianic, but since the man does not
proselytize the rabbis welcomes him.
>
>> What about "saint7peter"? Â LOL
>> I know, NOT a Jew! Â LOL
>
>Saint Peter was and is a Jew. You are a false Jew. Laugh on that
>until you choke.
First, there is no "Saint Peter" outside of Catholic mythology/heresy.
There was a Rabbi Kefa on whom they based their myth. The Bible never
describes Rabbi Kefa as defying Yshu`a's teachings by making himself a
"pope" or as converting to any non-Jewish religion.
Second, and more to the point, YOU are using the nich "saint7peter"!!
Have you forgotten who you are?
Like the anti-Semites described in the Book of Revelation you claim
that real Jews are not Jews while you claim to be a Jew despite your
non-Jewish heritage, your rejections of all forms of Judaism, and your
raging anti-Semitism.
>
>> Though the Christian Bible says that people like him will be forced by
>> God to appologize to the Jews when Yshu`a returns. Â So the literal
>> reading of the Christian Bible opposes "saint7peter."
>
>Yeshua is a false name of Jesus.
Some of the Askenaz add the "e" to make it easier for non-Hebrew
speakers to pronounce, and pronounce the vowel attched to the ayin
palatially instead of gutturally (I use the accent marl on the vowel
with the ayin), but His actual name is Yshu`a.
>The next step is to revert further
>to Yeshu (may his name be blotted out).
That is almost as bad as calling Him "Jesus," "Jebus," or whatever you
like.
>His correct Jewish name is
>Jehoshua, JHVSA ALHJM, Jehoshua Elohim, or Jehoshua Moshiach, or G-D.
>If you were an authentic Jew, you would know that.
LOL
Aside from the fact that there is no J in Hebrew, adding the
additional hey changes the meaning from Yshu`a (Salvation) to Yhoshua
(God is my salvation). "Saitn7peter" you keep talking about other
people not being "authentic Jews while at the same time demonstrating
a gross ignorance of Hebrew, Judaism, Hagelian philosophy (which you
confuse with Judaism), the Tanakh, and the inate Judaism of the
Messianic Scriptures (a.k.a.: "New Testament"). It seems to the
casual observer that you are motivated only by anti-Semitism.
