> On May 5, 3:09 pm, saint7pe...@hotmail.com wrote:
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>> On May 5, 11:53 am, Linda Lee juno.com> wrote:

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>>> On May 1, 10:14 pm, saint7pe...@hotmail.com wrote:

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>>>> On Apr 30, 8:51 pm,LindaLeejuno.com> wrote:

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>>>>> On Apr 30, 5:42 pm, bwmey...@toast.net wrote:

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>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:08:52 -0700 (PDT), saint7pe...@hotmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:

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>>>>>>>None of the well-meaning "progressives" can come to the seemingly
>>>>>>>obvious conclusion that stares out at them from every page of the
>>>>>>>Torah itself.  The LORD God, JHVH EL, JodHeVavHe AlephLamed, is a
>>>>>>>false God, a demonic God,

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>>>>>> "God is Spirit; and they that worship Him must worship in spirit, and
>>>>>> in Truth."  --- John 4:24.

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>>>>>> That is strike #1 for you:  As any real Jew should be able to tell you
>>>>>> (and so should Job 1:6 and 2:1, and Genesis 3), the LORD God is not
>>>>>> "demonic," and you are not, in reality therefore, concerned with
>>>>>> Truth.

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>>>>>> And strike #1 is a terrible strike: "God hath determined that
>>>>>> ALL who love not the Truth, but have pleasure in unrighteousness,
>>>>>> shall be damned."  2 Thessalonians 2:11-12.

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>>>>>> (which is infinitely worse than being "cut off = slain."  And what is
>>>>>> your expertise in what happens to a person, at his death?  That you
>>>>>> should accuse God regarding, obviously, how cruel you know it to be?
>>>>>> [cp Matthew 10:28]  And did you suppose that they should live forever,
>>>>>> if it weren't for God's "act of cruelty?"  As one emperor said to his
>>>>>> mourners at his deathbed, "did you idiots think I was going to live
>>>>>> forever?"  More to the point, when Peter told the Lord Jesus, "not so,
>>>>>> Lord; this shall never happen to Thee!"  The Lord replied [He had
>>>>>> before stated that this was His very reason for coming Into the world,
>>>>>> in the first place], "GET THEE BEHIND ME, SATAN!" [Now, was that very
>>>>>> nice?] "For thou savorest not the things of God" --- which is
>>>>>> precisely one of your problems --- "but the things of men."  At the
>>>>>> risk of repeating myself on something or other, "Precious in the sight
>>>>>> of the Lord [the "LORD God"] is the death of His saints."  What was
>>>>>> involved, when Samuel came up out of the earth to tell Saul, "tomorrow
>>>>>> you will be with me?"  What was involved, when the Lord told one of
>>>>>> the four criminals crucified with Him: "This day you will be with Me
>>>>>> in Paradise?' --- more than the fact that we thus know that thief died
>>>>>> very prematurely, as did the Lord.  Do you not know that Abraham spoke
>>>>>> the Truth when he told God, "shall not the Judge of all the earth do
>>>>>> right?"  If you don't know the answer to that question, you know
>>>>>> nothing about what you're trying to talk about.)

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>>>>>> The reasons for God's severities in the OT (Romans 11:22) are actually
>>>>>> rooted in His love: being instruments to direct ALL His People to the
>>>>>> coming Salvation and Grace He had already planned for them
>>>>>> (Titus 1:2, Galatians 3:16-29, 1 Corinthians 10, etc etc.)

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>>>>>> God is One, and GOD IS LOVE.

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>>>>>> "God (the LORD God of the OT) so loved the world that He gave
>>>>>> His onlybegotten Son ("Jehoshua Moshiach") that ANY PERSON who
>>>>>> trusts in Him ("Jehoshua Moshiach") will never be condemned for his
>>>>>> sins, but have everlasting life."

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>>>>>> (And that included even the approximately 2X10^6 extremely wicked
>>>>>> persons in ancient Nineveh. JHVH EL told the embittered Jonah, "Doest
>>>>>> thou well to be angry?" And he said, "I do well to be angry, even unto
>>>>>> death."   Then said the LORD, "Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for
>>>>>> the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came
>>>>>> up in a night, and perished in a night:   And should not I spare
>>>>>> Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand
>>>>>> persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left
>>>>>> hand; and also much cattle?"  Do you not know that thus it was for
>>>>>> every man your "demonic god" atrociously murdered, that He labored for
>>>>>> him, made him to grow, and came up in a night?  And that we know
>>>>>> nothing about what followed after his death, which is the all and only
>>>>>> important consideration?  No, you do not know, and yet you speak out
>>>>>> publically against Him.  "God hath no pleasure in fools."  90%% of
>>>>>> contributors here, take heed.  "If they speak not according to this
>>>>>> Word, it is because there is no light in them."  And "God hath no
>>>>>> pleasure in fools.")

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>>>>>> I know.  I myself have been such a fool many many many times.  And
>>>>>> thank God (the God of the OT) that He so loved me, that He gave His
>>>>>> onlybegotten Son so that I could be forgiven, justified, and saved.

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>>>>>>>and the natural enemy of the true Incarnation of G-D,
>>>>>>>JEHOSHUA MOSHIACH, aka Jesus Christ, who was the
>>>>>>>first and foremost victim of the evil God, the true taking upon
>>>>>>>Himself the wrath of the false.

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>>>>>> This statement is utterly self-contradictory nonsense.  How can "the
>>>>>> True Incarnation of G-D" be the incarnation of "the evil God?"  Is
>>>>>> your god a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde?  Of course, that IS your whole
>>>>>> nonsensical blog.  Wouldn't it be much better to study the WHOLE Bible
>>>>>> and get to the TRUTH about the problems you're addressing?

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>>>>>> I'm sure you actually know better: and actually, you  have a different
>>>>>> agenda than you are presenting.  (which seems so common on this whole
>>>>>> ng, since I've come back).

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>>>>>> But, assuming you DO know better, you need to be warned about what
>>>>>> you're doing: Matthew 12:22 - 32.

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>>>>>> That is strike #2.  I pray that your last shot will be a Home Run, as
>>>>>> mine was, above, before you're down.  But actually, I didn't hit any
>>>>>> home run: He hit it for me, and by His grace gave me the infinite
>>>>>> benefit of it.

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>>>>>> Bob

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>>>>>> Christ Died to Save You

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>>>>> Ecc 7:1  A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of
>>>>> death than the day of one's birth.

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>>>>> WHY?

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>>>>> Because:

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>>>>> Ecc 12:7  Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the
>>>>> spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

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>>>>> God is all about the spirit, he created this realm so we can have the
>>>>> chance to repent and return to God permanently; He is not concerned
>>>>> with the flesh.

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>>>> If you accept the Old Testament at face value, what is there to
>>>> repent, but that your God is an asshole?

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>>> We are all to repent of the sin of disobeying and leaving God; that is
>>> why we're all here.

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>> That is not the message of the Bible.  The message is that a true God,
>> EL, created the world (Genesis 1).  A false LORD, JHVH, then qualified
>> the pure light with the darkness of His hatred of mankind (Genesis
>> 11).  Finally, a synthesis of the true and the false emerged as JHVH
>> EL or LORD God (Genesis 2 and 3).  This synthesis of the true and the
>> false then played out His game concerning the tree of the knowledge of
>> good and evil and the tree of life.  Jesus was the Serpent in the
>> Garden of Eden.  He opposed the essentially false JHVH EL from the
>> beginning.  Knowledge of good is essential, because it alone leads to
>> the knowledge of the true G-D, who is Jehoshua Moshiach.  Knowedge of
>> evil is also necessary, because evil is necessary for relative
>> existence, i.e. survival and subsistence.  The tree of knowledge of
>> good and evil pertains to the three higher heavens, 5,6, and 7.  Jews
>> are limited to the three lower heavens, 1, 2, and 3.  Jesus tried to
>> free all men.  JHVH EL then cursed them and tried to prevent them from
>> anchoring their spirituality in the real world, by eating from the
>> tree of life.  Jesus came to bring mankind the very life that JHVH EL
>> denied it.  "I am come that they might have life and have it more
>> abundantly."

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> The Messiah came as the incarnation of God as our Saviour; that is the
> message of the Old and New Testaments of the Bible.