> On May 5, 11:53 am, Linda Lee juno.com> wrote:
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>> On May 1, 10:14 pm, saint7pe...@hotmail.com wrote:

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>>> On Apr 30, 8:51 pm,LindaLeejuno.com> wrote:

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>>>> On Apr 30, 5:42 pm, bwmey...@toast.net wrote:

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>>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:08:52 -0700 (PDT), saint7pe...@hotmail.com
>>>>> wrote:

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>>>>>>None of the well-meaning "progressives" can come to the seemingly
>>>>>>obvious conclusion that stares out at them from every page of the
>>>>>>Torah itself. The LORD God, JHVH EL, JodHeVavHe AlephLamed, is a
>>>>>>false God, a demonic God,

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>>>>> "God is Spirit; and they that worship Him must worship in spirit, and
>>>>> in Truth." --- John 4:24.

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>>>>> That is strike #1 for you: As any real Jew should be able to tell you
>>>>> (and so should Job 1:6 and 2:1, and Genesis 3), the LORD God is not
>>>>> "demonic," and you are not, in reality therefore, concerned with
>>>>> Truth.

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>>>>> And strike #1 is a terrible strike: "God hath determined that
>>>>> ALL who love not the Truth, but have pleasure in unrighteousness,
>>>>> shall be damned." 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12.

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>>>>> (which is infinitely worse than being "cut off = slain." And what is
>>>>> your expertise in what happens to a person, at his death? That you
>>>>> should accuse God regarding, obviously, how cruel you know it to be?
>>>>> [cp Matthew 10:28] And did you suppose that they should live forever,
>>>>> if it weren't for God's "act of cruelty?" As one emperor said to his
>>>>> mourners at his deathbed, "did you idiots think I was going to live
>>>>> forever?" More to the point, when Peter told the Lord Jesus, "not so,
>>>>> Lord; this shall never happen to Thee!" The Lord replied [He had
>>>>> before stated that this was His very reason for coming Into the world,
>>>>> in the first place], "GET THEE BEHIND ME, SATAN!" [Now, was that very
>>>>> nice?] "For thou savorest not the things of God" --- which is
>>>>> precisely one of your problems --- "but the things of men." At the
>>>>> risk of repeating myself on something or other, "Precious in the sight
>>>>> of the Lord [the "LORD God"] is the death of His saints." What was
>>>>> involved, when Samuel came up out of the earth to tell Saul, "tomorrow
>>>>> you will be with me?" What was involved, when the Lord told one of
>>>>> the four criminals crucified with Him: "This day you will be with Me
>>>>> in Paradise?' --- more than the fact that we thus know that thief died
>>>>> very prematurely, as did the Lord. Do you not know that Abraham spoke
>>>>> the Truth when he told God, "shall not the Judge of all the earth do
>>>>> right?" If you don't know the answer to that question, you know
>>>>> nothing about what you're trying to talk about.)

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>>>>> The reasons for God's severities in the OT (Romans 11:22) are actually
>>>>> rooted in His love: being instruments to direct ALL His People to the
>>>>> coming Salvation and Grace He had already planned for them
>>>>> (Titus 1:2, Galatians 3:16-29, 1 Corinthians 10, etc etc.)

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>>>>> God is One, and GOD IS LOVE.

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>>>>> "God (the LORD God of the OT) so loved the world that He gave
>>>>> His onlybegotten Son ("Jehoshua Moshiach") that ANY PERSON who
>>>>> trusts in Him ("Jehoshua Moshiach") will never be condemned for his
>>>>> sins, but have everlasting life."

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>>>>> (And that included even the approximately 2X10^6 extremely wicked
>>>>> persons in ancient Nineveh. JHVH EL told the embittered Jonah, "Doest
>>>>> thou well to be angry?" And he said, "I do well to be angry, even unto
>>>>> death." Then said the LORD, "Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for
>>>>> the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came
>>>>> up in a night, and perished in a night: And should not I spare
>>>>> Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand
>>>>> persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left
>>>>> hand; and also much cattle?" Do you not know that thus it was for
>>>>> every man your "demonic god" atrociously murdered, that He labored for
>>>>> him, made him to grow, and came up in a night? And that we know
>>>>> nothing about what followed after his death, which is the all and only
>>>>> important consideration? No, you do not know, and yet you speak out
>>>>> publically against Him. "God hath no pleasure in fools." 90%% of
>>>>> contributors here, take heed. "If they speak not according to this
>>>>> Word, it is because there is no light in them." And "God hath no
>>>>> pleasure in fools.")

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>>>>> I know. I myself have been such a fool many many many times. And
>>>>> thank God (the God of the OT) that He so loved me, that He gave His
>>>>> onlybegotten Son so that I could be forgiven, justified, and saved.

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>>>>>>and the natural enemy of the true Incarnation of G-D,
>>>>>>JEHOSHUA MOSHIACH, aka Jesus Christ, who was the
>>>>>>first and foremost victim of the evil God, the true taking upon
>>>>>>Himself the wrath of the false.

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>>>>> This statement is utterly self-contradictory nonsense. How can "the
>>>>> True Incarnation of G-D" be the incarnation of "the evil God?" Is
>>>>> your god a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde? Of course, that IS your whole
>>>>> nonsensical blog. Wouldn't it be much better to study the WHOLE Bible
>>>>> and get to the TRUTH about the problems you're addressing?

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>>>>> I'm sure you actually know better: and actually, you have a different
>>>>> agenda than you are presenting. (which seems so common on this whole
>>>>> ng, since I've come back).

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>>>>> But, assuming you DO know better, you need to be warned about what
>>>>> you're doing: Matthew 12:22 - 32.

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>>>>> That is strike #2. I pray that your last shot will be a Home Run, as
>>>>> mine was, above, before you're down. But actually, I didn't hit any
>>>>> home run: He hit it for me, and by His grace gave me the infinite
>>>>> benefit of it.

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>>>>> Bob

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>>>>> Christ Died to Save You

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>>>> Ecc 7:1 A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of
>>>> death than the day of one's birth.

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>>>> WHY?

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>>>> Because:

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>>>> Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the
>>>> spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

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>>>> God is all about the spirit, he created this realm so we can have the
>>>> chance to repent and return to God permanently; He is not concerned
>>>> with the flesh.

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>>> If you accept the Old Testament at face value, what is there to
>>> repent, but that your God is an asshole?

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>> We are all to repent of the sin of disobeying and leaving God; that is
>> why we're all here.

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> That is not the message of the Bible. The message is that a true God,
> EL, created the world (Genesis 1). A false LORD, JHVH, then qualified
> the pure light with the darkness of His hatred of mankind (Genesis
> 11). Finally, a synthesis of the true and the false emerged as JHVH
> EL or LORD God (Genesis 2 and 3). This synthesis of the true and the
> false then played out His game concerning the tree of the knowledge of
> good and evil and the tree of life. Jesus was the Serpent in the
> Garden of Eden. He opposed the essentially false JHVH EL from the
> beginning. Knowledge of good is essential, because it alone leads to
> the knowledge of the true G-D, who is Jehoshua Moshiach. Knowedge of
> evil is also necessary, because evil is necessary for relative
> existence, i.e. survival and subsistence. The tree of knowledge of
> good and evil pertains to the three higher heavens, 5,6, and 7. Jews
> are limited to the three lower heavens, 1, 2, and 3. Jesus tried to
> free all men. JHVH EL then cursed them and tried to prevent them from
> anchoring their spirituality in the real world, by eating from the
> tree of life. Jesus came to bring mankind the very life that JHVH EL
> denied it. "I am come that they might have life and have it more
> abundantly."