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Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: turtoni
Date: Jul 17, 2008 21:16

On Jul 17, 8:09 pm, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "SolomonW" Nothing.com> wrote in message
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> news:MPG.22e9c308235b882898969e@News...
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>> In article <32ot74pm7o0uu32s6hob1755n79besr...@4ax.com>, mars1933
>> @hotmail.com says...
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>>> In Britain, `Holocaust Denier' Convicted of Rate Hate Incitement
>>> Yorkshire Post (Britain)
>>>http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Holocaust-denier-convicted-of-try...
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>>> A man who claims accounts of the Holocaust are "exaggerated" and
>>> describes Anne Frank's diary as "evil" has been convicted of putting
>>> articles on the internet that could stir up race hate. A jury at Leeds
>>> Crown Court yesterday found Simon Sheppard, 51, guilty of nine counts
>>> of publishing racially inflammatory written material on his website
>>> between March 2005 and April 2006. The court heard Sheppard's website
>>> attracts 4,000 visitors a day. Four of the articles were penned by
>>> Stephen Whittle, 41, who was yesterday convicted of four counts of
>>> publishing racially inflammatory written material.
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>> A justification for racism now is free speech!
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> Well, which is more important to you?  To curtail free speech so that your
> point of view is the one NOT allowed?  Or to allow all to speak freely and
> as Milton decried, allow the individual to make up his own mind without
> censorship.  Are you so down on the common man that he cannot think for
> himself, and needs the elitist authorities to oversee dissemination of
> information and argument on any subject, much less about race?
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> Hate is bantied about as a word...but does anyone really know what it is?
> Does it not take a hater to devoid the hatred of those banned?  So, doesn't
> the question become one not of hatred, but of political ploy...and whose
> ruling view will take precedence for the day?  Turtoni, for example, HATES
> me.  But he would never define HIMSELF as a hater of anything, would he?  I
> hate cockroaches...what does that make me?  I have no reason for this
> hatred, except cockroaches are...well...'yuckky' to me...they have all these
> greasy looking legs...and yuch is all I can say.  So, I squish them when I
> want.  No antidefamation league exists for cockroaches....no outcry for the
> protection of underclass rights, so no one gives a twit if I squish them or
> not. Most people would agree with my efforts to stomp out cockroaches in
> fact, for no other reason than they are 'yuckky'.
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> My point is that we banter about the word 'hate' without investigating its
> auspices and vagracies within ourselves.   WE ALL HATE...something...and
> often for little reason; and yes, often again for the simple reason the
> object is so differerent than ourselves...and would recreate any home we
> might envision in the world as something alien to ourselves, and thusly
> destroy any sanctity in that home.   Too many cockroaches does that.  Maybe
> other things as well.
>
> Of course, from a political point of view with advocacy for the cockroach
> WITHOUT BIAS, I represent the same threat to the lowly bug as the lowly bug
> represents toward me.  I would destroy his household just as readily,
> turning it into shopping malls and parking lots and other things 'alien' to
> it's more humble needs.   Who speaks for the rights of cockroaches?!!!
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> Someone once wrote that 'all things are political'.  So also, is this idea
> HATE we banter around these days.  So, don't use it to curtail free
> speech...pleeze..unless you are that insecure about what you believe and
> think...and most people buying into today's hegemony on RACE are indeed,
> insecure because deep down they understand the truth is simply being buried.

"Various institutions in the United States and Europe began developing
codes to limit or punish hate speech in the 1990s, on the grounds that
such speech amounts to discrimination. Thus, such codes prohibit words
or phrases deemed to express, either deliberately or unknowingly,
hatred or contempt towards a group of people, based on areas such as
their ethnic, cultural, religious or sexual identity, or with
reference to physical health or mental health. There has been an
increase of prohibition of terms regarded as "hate speech" based on
socio-economic class in the United States, same goes to regional slurs
and comments in Europe. But for many North Americans and western
Europeans, hate speech has become unacceptable (at least in public),
immoral and sometimes, it is taboo to use certain words or discuss
certain subjects they fear may be offensive or illegal. In some
contexts it may also be offensive or illegal to challenge the rights
of individuals based on any or all of the above criteria.

In addition to legal prohibition in many jurisdictions, prohibitions
on the use of hate speech have been written into the bylaws of some
governmental and non-governmental institutions, such as public
universities, trade unions and other organizations (see below), though
the use of speech codes in public universities in the United States is
illegal, because public universities, as agents of the State, are
Constitutionally restricted from regulating or penalizing speech based
on content. Its use is also frowned upon by many publishing houses,
broadcasting organizations and newspaper groups. However, most
business corporations adapted strict rules and regulations concerning
verbal conduct at the workplace. These are similar to anti-hate speech
laws and any employee caught in a violation of anti-hate speech codes
may be dismissed. Many schools and universities have speech codes
restricting some free speech. Hate speech codes are rules intended to
ensure an atmosphere free from harassment and intimidation, conducive
to a learning environment. Many academics have criticised these
policies, arguing they are an impediment for free and uncensored
discussion on controversial topics. Moreover, it is argued that the
very concept of harassment is often misused and frequently cheapened,
interpreting criticism (of a faith, opinion, or lifestyle) as
something traumatic and harmful. Opponents of hate speech codes
maintain that debate is essential to searching for the truth, and hate
speech codes interfere with this mandate by silencing discussion from
the very start (becoming censorship). They maintain that "harassment"
should only be interpreted as a direct personal threat. They also
argue that students should be confronted with perspectives they can
find repulsive, as it will help strengthen their own arguments and
ultimately achieve a more sturdy, well-rounded understanding of the
issue.

One organization active in opposing campus speech codes is the
Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, or FIRE.

The landmark case of in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568
(1942) gave rise to a public discussion on fighting words, see also
the 1918 case of Schenck."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
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