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Author: Topaz
Date: Jul 9, 2007 03:01

Palestine: Freedom is What They Want
Charley Reese
http://www.antiwar.com/reese/? articleid=11182

...The Palestinians don't deserve this. Their only sin was to be born
in their own country, a country that was coveted by European Zionists
and taken from them with the help of British colonialism. The fact
that most American politicians prefer the indignity of acting like a
crowd of timid foot-kissers for the Israeli lobby adds our own guilt
to that of the Israelis. Americans should remember the cliché "what
goes around, comes around." Nobody gets a free pass to sin against
humanity. The rest of the world sees us as we are. Other countries see
the hypocrisy, the lies, the deliberate negligence of the American
press.
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Author: Immortalist
Date: Jul 9, 2007 10:13

On Jul 9, 3:01 am, Topaz hotmail.com> wrote:
> Palestine: Freedom is What They Want
> Charley Reesehttp://www.antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=11182
>
> ...The Palestinians don't deserve this. Their only sin was to be born
> in their own country, a country that was coveted by European Zionists
> and taken from them with the help of British colonialism. The fact
> that most American politicians prefer the indignity of acting like a
> crowd of timid foot-kissers for the Israeli lobby adds our own guilt
> to that of the Israelis. Americans should remember the cliché "what
> goes around, comes around." Nobody gets a free pass to sin against
> humanity. The rest of the world sees us as we are. Other countries see
> the hypocrisy, the lies, the deliberate negligence of the American
> press...
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Author: Ed
Date: Jul 9, 2007 10:44

What one deserves doesn't seem to cut much ice!
Native Americans did not deserve what the European invaders did to
them either.
Still, America has not been bitten by the "what goes around, comes
around" thing yet, maybe someone will arm the Indians and foment a
revolution but I doubt it. We've gotten as close to a free pass as
you can come. The Jews may be hoping for a similar outcome in due
course.

On Jul 9, 6:01 am, Topaz hotmail.com> wrote:
> Palestine: Freedom is What They Want
> Charley Reesehttp://www.antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=11182
>
> ...The Palestinians don't deserve this. Their...
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Author: Topaz
Date: Jul 9, 2007 14:33

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:13:21 -0700, Immortalist
yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Are you asking us to get on one side of this debate/battle? By your
>language we can easily see that you are one a "side" and this
>diminishes the strength of what you have to offer. You should always
>make your thesis sound perfectly nuetral and then stab it with some
>harsh facts after you have both sides payin attention.
>
>Here are some advanced tools for you to learn to use and below that a
>neutral sounding start;

By Dr. Hanan Ashrawi

"Israeli tanks and armored vehicles are surrounding Palestinian
villages, camps and cities (and not the other way around).

Israeli (American made) Apache gun ships are firing Lau and other
missiles at Palestinian protestors and homes (and not the other way
around).
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Author: Topaz
Date: Jul 9, 2007 14:36

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:44:38 -0700, Ed earthlink.net> wrote:
>What one deserves doesn't seem to cut much ice!
>Native Americans did not deserve what the European invaders did to
>them either.
>Still, America has not been bitten by the "what goes around, comes
>around" thing yet, maybe someone will arm the Indians and foment a
>revolution but I doubt it. We've gotten as close to a free pass as
>you can come. The Jews may be hoping for a similar outcome in due
>course.
>
Palestinians are not nearly as primitive and dangerous as the Indians
were:

Here are some quotes from "The Oregon Trail" written by Francis
Parkman. It is a true story about his experiences with Indians. He
travelled to Oregon in 1846 and lived with Indians.
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Author: tooly
Date: Jul 9, 2007 11:24

"Ed" earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1184003078.139957.234040@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
What one deserves doesn't seem to cut much ice!
Native Americans did not deserve what the European invaders did to
them either.
Still, America has not been bitten by the "what goes around, comes
around" thing yet, maybe someone will arm the Indians and foment a
revolution but I doubt it. We've gotten as close to a free pass as
you can come. The Jews may be hoping for a similar outcome in due
course.

---------------
Question: did neanderthal man deserve to be eliminated by cro magnon man?
Probably not [I believe most literature attributes their extinction at least
in part to the encroachment of cro...
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Author: Ed
Date: Jul 9, 2007 17:29

On Jul 9, 5:36 pm, Topaz hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:44:38 -0700, Ed earthlink.net> wrote:
>>What one deserves doesn't seem to cut much ice!
>>Native Americans did not deserve what the European invaders did to
>>them either.
>>Still, America has not been bitten by the "what goes around, comes
>>around" thing yet, maybe someone will arm the Indians and foment a
>>revolution but I doubt it. We've gotten as close to a free pass as
>>you can come. The Jews may be hoping for a similar outcome in due
>>course.
>
Palestinians are not nearly as primitive and dangerous as the Indians
were:

Look at Tooly's post; perhaps if Palestinians were more dangerous the
Jews would not find it so easy to run roughshod over them.
Certainly they will not regain their homeland until thely become more
dangerous.
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Author: Ed
Date: Jul 9, 2007 17:41

On Jul 9, 2:24 pm, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:

Europeans were clearly clever invaders; I don't see that they were the
"white hat" contingent. They decided to invade the land of stone age
natives just because they were easy to slaughter and disposess.

The Spanish and British could have chosen to invade Russia or Germany
instead, looking to displace the locals, but that was the difficult
way; much more satisfactory to deal with stone age savages whose
resistance was so low tech.

I don't see the Native Americans as "noble" at all, just disorganized
and primitive. However, I don't think those characteristics mean that
they were "asking for it" from the Europeans, who could have stayed at
home. I don't think those characteristics mean that they "deserved"
the fate they met at the hands of the white man.

---------------
> Question: did neanderthal man deserve to be eliminated by cro magnon man?
> Probably not [I believe most literature attributes their extinction at least
> in part to the encroachment...
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Author: Immortalist
Date: Jul 10, 2007 11:46

On Jul 9, 2:33 pm, Topaz hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:13:21 -0700, Immortalist
>
> yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Are you asking us to get on one side of this debate/battle? By your
>>language we can easily see that you are one a "side" and this
>>diminishes the strength of what you have to offer. You should always
>>make your thesis sound perfectly nuetral and then stab it with some
>>harsh facts after you have both sides payin attention.
>
>>Here are some advanced tools for you to learn to use and below that a
>>neutral sounding start;
>
> By Dr. Hanan Ashrawi
>
> "Israeli tanks and armored vehicles are surrounding Palestinian
> villages, camps and cities (and not the other way around).
>
> Israeli (American made) Apache gun ships are firing Lau and other ...
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Author: Topaz
Date: Jul 10, 2007 14:23

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:46:09 -0700, Immortalist
yahoo.com> wrote:
>You have given many good examples above and below but why are they
>doing this? I mean I see how the examples are framed from one side of
>the debate.

"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford
University Press, 1985.

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation,
and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab
population."
David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A
Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

"There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was
that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have
stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox),
pp. 121-122.
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