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Author: Fred WeissFred Weiss Date: Jan 19, 2008 07:24
Russians Brace For The Big Chill
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009739004
And here I thought that Siberia was supposed to be transformed into a
tropical rain forest.
On the other hand where it is usually tropical, it is freezing:
"Georgia, whose climate is subtropical, already plunged to as low as
minus 35 degrees Celsius. Lake Paliastomi in the western Georgia froze
for the first time in 50 years, reports Rustavi-2 television."
I'm sure the Russians right now would welcome a little of that global
warming they've been promised.
Me, too. My investment in Greenland beachfront property is going down
the tubes. And here I was hoping to cash in on leftards fleeing their
Hampton mansions as they get swallowed up by rising sea levels.
Fred Weiss
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Author: Akira BergmanAkira Bergman Date: Jan 19, 2008 12:08
The weakening of Gulf Stream may be the reason for short term cooling.
This was predicted.
Short term unpredictibility has also been predicted by the warming
models, since the event duration bandwidth extends at both ends. I
have noticed that large scale events, both in intensity and duration,
are on the increase.
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Jan 19, 2008 15:09
> Russians Brace For The Big Chill
>
> http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009739004
>
> And here I thought that Siberia was supposed to be transformed into a
> tropical rain forest.
>
> On the other hand where it is usually tropical, it is freezing:
>
> "Georgia, whose climate is subtropical, already plunged to as low as
> minus 35 degrees Celsius. Lake Paliastomi in the western Georgia froze
> for the first time in 50 years, reports Rustavi-2 television."
>
> I'm sure the Russians right now would welcome a little of that global
> warming they've been promised.
>
> Me, too. My investment in Greenland beachfront property is going down
> the tubes. And here I was hoping to cash in on leftards fleeing their ...
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Author: Fred WeissFred Weiss Date: Jan 19, 2008 15:31
On Jan 19, 3:08 pm, Akira Bergman gmail.com> wrote:
> The weakening of Gulf Stream may be the reason for short term cooling.
> This was predicted.
Like they predicted that 2006 and 2007 would be among the worst
hurricane years on record, supposedly due to the warming of the ocean.
It will be interesting though to observe the squirming if these cold
temperatures continue for a few years and, adding to the last 10yrs of
average global temps. being essentially unchanged, they have to start
confronting an actual net drop in temps - as for example happened from
1940 to the early 1970's.
Of course there's always the old fall back...hmmm, maybe they were
right in the 1970's and we are heading toward another ice age.
Fred Weiss
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Author: SeanSean Date: Jan 20, 2008 20:03
> On Jan 20, 8:31 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:>> On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:24:20 -0800, Fred Weiss wrote:
>>> The Big Chill
>>
>> At this point, my conclusion is the only thing to trust is the data on
>> arctic ice. It's too big to be hidden and too big not to have an impact.
>>
>> Something is happening. It could be temporary, permanent or in between, I
>> do not know and anyone who say's they do is most likely a fool. Given the
>> time line, science just does not have enough data.
>>
>> However there is one very important thing I hope will come from this.
>> That is to tackle the gorilla in the room no one wants to talk about it
>> seems... how is science to be trusted?
>>
>> This issue is a fucking horror. Here we have "SCIENCE" (all caps) which
>> in ALL (caps intended) of human endeavor represents and is the pinnacle
>> of human reason. The physical sciences have as their study a neutral ...
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Author: SeanSean Date: Jan 20, 2008 20:09
> On Jan 19, 9:11 pm, Akira Bergman gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What is your proposal? Wait and see? Do nothing?
>
> Umm...yeah, I think we should wait for convincing evidence
ok, FINE, It's already there. Are you a scientist?
It's there already Fred, all the convincing evidence an open minded
intelligent person needs is available, is self-evident, is detailed, is
confirmed by every subsequent new piece of evidence as being more urgent
than earlier science research info, is like a snowball rolling down a hill
and getting bigger and bigger, and is irrefutable, all you have to do is
look at it and think and then ask your own politicians what are they going
to do about it NOW.
Because now, is all we have left. ;-)
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Author: Fred WeissFred Weiss Date: Jan 21, 2008 06:25
On Jan 20, 1:00 pm, tg earthlink.net> wrote:> On Jan 20, 8:31 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:24:20 -0800, Fred Weiss wrote:
>>> The Big Chill
>
>> At this point, my conclusion is the only thing to trust is the data on
>> arctic ice. It's too big to be hidden and too big not to have an impact.
>
>> Something is happening. It could be temporary, permanent or in between, I
>> do not know and anyone who say's they do is most likely a fool. Given the
>> time line, science just does not have enough data.
Exactly.
So, let's shut down the industrial revolution until we have the
answer?
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Author: tgtg Date: Jan 21, 2008 14:33
On Jan 20, 11:03 pm, "Sean" blah.com.au> wrote:>> On Jan 20, 8:31 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:>>> On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:24:20 -0800, Fred Weiss wrote:
>>>> The Big Chill
>
>>> At this point, my conclusion is the only thing to trust is the data on
>>> arctic ice. It's too big to be hidden and too big not to have an impact.
>
>>> Something is happening. It could be temporary, permanent or in between, I
>>> do not know and anyone who say's they do is most likely a fool. Given the
>>> time line, science just does not have enough data.
>
>>> However there is one very important thing I hope will come from this.
>>> That is to tackle the gorilla in the room no one wants to talk about it ...
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Jan 21, 2008 20:14
> And here I thought that Siberia was supposed to be transformed into a
> tropical rain forest.
For at least a decade computer models of AGW predicted extreme
_weather_ conditions. One degree C increase in climate => 20 - 30
degree colder winters and much hotter summers in most places.
This should have been pretty well settled by now.
Bret Cahill
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