On Aug 6, 3:12Â pm, Immortalist
yahoo.com> wrote:> On Aug 5, 9:23 pm, mimus
hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Art without meaning is nonsense.
>
>> "Art with meaning obfuscates that meaning and is propaganda."
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> If obfuscate "means" [To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult
> to perceive or understand or To render indistinct or dim; darken] I
> need more information in support of the premise for it to warrant the
> implication that all provisions of "mean" obfuscates. The idea that
> you can say something about all applications of meaning, in the past
> and in the future, will always obfuscate, seems to be an inductive and
> probable argument disguised as certainty.
>
>
>
>> Discuss.
>
>> I'll start by saying it all depends on what the meaning of "meaning" is,
>> since if it doesn't include "description", or isn't satisfied with that
>> alone, then the dilemma doesn't seem to be describing art, exactly, and if
>> it does then the second leg of the dilemma seems to fall down.
>
>> Simple description is fundamental but simple art; higher art utilizes
>> lesser descriptions in the course of and in the construction of a greater
>> description, eg Camus' _The Plague_, with its voluminous sequence of
>> descriptions of more-or-less tangled events fleshing out his description
>> of a greater event, and capped with his ultimate and overall description,
>> "These people were just the same as ever".
>
>> Again, Hume considered that if you have an important argument you should
>> just make it, as such, but also considered it important to treat important
>> and incontrovertible subjects as often and in as many ways as possible,
>> and also that undecidable subjects lent themselves readily to dialogue at
>> least ("Pamphilus to Hermippus", introducing his unfinished classic
>> _Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion_).
>
>> Nonetheless, the dilemma has a smack of plausibility about it.
>
>> --
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>> The best piece of logic I ever heard, Mr Larynx; the very best,
>> I assure you.
>
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You guys really make me laugh. You could just as well be talking about
the taste of gorgonzola. You can turn anything into a debate, during
which, you debate what debate actually means, what means and actuality
means.
Im not knocking you at all, but I do find the whole subject amusing,
so I'll join in.My mind enjoys the exercise.
Art, as a verb, is a creative process which inspires others to find
their own creativity. Art as a noun , to the artist involved, is a
yardstick of his own creative ability, and is one reason that many
artists are never satisfied' .
Now all as we have to do is analize the words inspire, process,
creativity,yardstick ,own, ability,reason, never and satisfaction.
Perhaps Jagger and McCartney juxtaposed, "I Cant Get No
Satisfaction" (with the correct application of the double negative),
and "Let It Be".
Speaking Words Of Wisdom?
Let Us See
Let Us See...
BOfL
