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Is the Garden of Eden fact or metaphor?         


Author: ComandanteBanana
Date: Mar 10, 2008 09:23

Well, I don't mean that it really happened, but that Christians
*believe* it really happened. Or do they rather believe it's only a
metaphor and thus it doesn't have to be believable?

So, it's a metaphor, I guess. But what's the moral of it? Don't obey
talking serpents? The carnivores were vegetarian? Don't trust women?
Or obey orders from God? The fate of humanity clings on this
metaphor...

Obeying orders though brought the Germans to commit the worst
crimes... Hey, I've got a better metaphor! (It even got the lion and
the forbidden fruit in it...)

THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE

Once upon a time, in the deep jungle, lived a Lion and a Monkey... One
day the Monkey, tired of the Lion taking the LION'S SHARE, and seeing
that such injustice represented a danger to all, demanded JUSTICE...
The Lion, yawning and stretching, said, "You would have to have paws
and sharp teeth..." Then the Monkey, who was very clever, devised a
plan: He would go to the costume store, and look like a lion...
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Re: Is the Garden of Eden fact or metaphor?         


Author: Sanity's Little Helper
Date: Mar 10, 2008 09:50

ComandanteBanana yahoo.com> wrote in news:e2d283d0-
6c10-4a1c-be3a-3db426fc42a9@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com to alt.atheism
on 10 Mar 2008:
> Well, I don't mean that it really happened, but that Christians
> *believe* it really happened. Or do they rather believe it's only a
> metaphor and thus it doesn't have to be believable?
>
> So, it's a metaphor, I guess. But what's the moral of it? Don't obey
> talking serpents? The carnivores were vegetarian? Don't trust women?
> Or obey orders from God? The fate of humanity clings on this
> metaphor...
>

You aren't meant to know the difference between right and wrong. In
order to please Yahweh and be immortal you must become a psychopath.

--
David Silverman D.B.E.
aa #2208
Lord Mayor of Dis
Lawful copyright holder of the term "Earthquack".
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Re: Is the Garden of Eden fact or metaphor?         


Author: MichaelNJ
Date: Mar 10, 2008 09:56

On Mar 10, 12:23 pm, ComandanteBanana yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Well, I don't mean that it really happened, but that Christians
> *believe* it really happened. Or do they rather believe it's only a
> metaphor and thus it doesn't have to be believable?

It really happened
>
> So, it's a metaphor, I guess. But what's the moral of it? Don't obey
> talking serpents? The carnivores were vegetarian? Don't trust women?
> Or obey orders from God? The fate of humanity clings on...
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Re: Is the Garden of Eden fact or metaphor?         


Author: JM
Date: Mar 10, 2008 10:26

On Mar 10, 9:23 am, ComandanteBanana yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Well, I don't mean that it really happened, but that Christians
> *believe* it really happened. Or do they rather believe it's only a
> metaphor and thus it doesn't have to be believable?

It's either God created man literally himself using precise design or
life came about through happenstance.
>
> So, it's a metaphor, I guess. But what's the moral of it? Don't obey
> talking serpents? The carnivores were vegetarian? Don't trust women?
> Or obey orders from God? The fate of humanity clings on this
> metaphor...
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Re: Is the Garden of Eden fact or metaphor?         


Author: Sanity's Little Helper
Date: Mar 10, 2008 10:27

MichaelNJ@gmail.com wrote in news:e8e56f0e-cc6d-4d04-956b-637202c5fd55
@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com to alt.atheism on 10 Mar 2008:
> On Mar 10, 12:23 pm, ComandanteBanana yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Well, I don't mean that it really happened, but that Christians
>> *believe* it really happened. Or do they rather believe it's only a
>> metaphor and thus it doesn't have to be believable?
>
> It really happened
>
>
> If your story is around two thousand years from now, I'll talk about
> it then.
>

Where did you get your education from, Michael?

I recommend you take it back to them, ask for your money back and sue
the fuckers for damages.
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Re: Is the Garden of Eden fact or metaphor?         


Author: SkyEyes
Date: Mar 10, 2008 11:16

On Mar 10, 9:56 am, Michae...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 10, 12:23 pm, ComandanteBanana yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I don't mean that it really happened, but that Christians
>> *believe* it really happened. Or do they rather believe it's only a
>> metaphor and thus it doesn't have to be believable?
>
> It really happened

Unfortunately for *you*, Michael, there's no evidence that it "really
happened," and if it did, your god is a monster, as I've demonstrated
in other threads.
> If your story is around two thousand years from now, I'll talk about
> it then.

Evolution has been around for - what is it - about 1.5 billion years
now? It'll be around in another 2,000 years, no worries.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
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Re: Is the Garden of Eden fact or metaphor?         


Author: Santolina chamaecyparissus
Date: Mar 10, 2008 11:53

On Mar 10, 9:23 am, ComandanteBanana yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Well, I don't mean that it really happened, but that Christians
> *believe* it really happened. Or do they rather believe it's only a
> metaphor and thus it doesn't have to be believable?
>
> So, it's a metaphor, I guess.

Allegory.
> But what's the moral of it? Don't obey
> talking serpents? The carnivores were vegetarian? Don't trust women?
> Or obey orders from God?

You are flawed, mortal, and at the mercy of a powerful deity.
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Re: Is the Garden of Eden fact or metaphor?         


Author: sleepykit
Date: Mar 10, 2008 12:35

On Mar 10, 12:53 pm, Santolina chamaecyparissus juno.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 10, 9:23 am, ComandanteBanana yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I don't mean that it really happened, but that Christians
>> *believe* it really happened. Or do they rather believe it's only a
>> metaphor and thus it doesn't have to be believable?
>
>> So, it's a metaphor, I guess.
>
> Allegory.
>
>> But what's the moral of it? Don't obey
>> talking serpents? The carnivores were vegetarian? Don't trust women?
>> Or obey orders from God?
>
> You are flawed, mortal, and at the mercy of a powerful deity.

A deity that seems to blame me for its mistakes. Lovely.
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Re: Is the Garden of Eden fact or metaphor?         


Author: Santolina chamaecyparissus
Date: Mar 10, 2008 12:49

On Mar 10, 12:35 pm, sleepykit gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 12:53 pm, Santolina chamaecyparissus juno.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Mar 10, 9:23 am, ComandanteBanana yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>> Well, I don't mean that it really happened, but that Christians
>>> *believe* it really happened. Or do they rather believe it's only a
>>> metaphor and thus it doesn't have to be believable?
>
>>> So, it's a metaphor, I guess.
>
>> Allegory.
>
>>> But what's the moral of it? Don't obey
>>> talking serpents? The carnivores were vegetarian? Don't trust women?
>>> Or obey orders from God? ...
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Re: Is the Garden of Eden fact or metaphor?         


Author: Justintruth
Date: Mar 10, 2008 14:05

> So, it's a metaphor, I guess. But what's the moral of it? Don't obey
> talking serpents? The carnivores were vegetarian? Don't trust women?
> Or obey orders from God? The fate of humanity clings on this
> metaphor...
>

I think it is a metaphor for metaphysics and hermeneutics. It captures
the foundation of ontology, objectivity and its relationship to
morality, sexuality and work. It also captures the relationship of
pride or the will to ontology and in that sense it prefigured many of
the ideas of Nietzche in the form of Lucifer.

Just as each of us develops from single cell through the vestigal
stages of evolution so too if we trace the foundation of our ideas and
reflect effectively on our experience we can see a kind of vestige of
our growth and early childhood "education". Genisis is a reflection of
our cultural evolution as well as our own birth and early life just as
it is also a reflection of the foundation of our current ideas and
perceptions. It is a historistical document.

"We are stardust. We are golden. And we've got to get ourselves back
to the garden." Right? See what I mean?
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