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Is Romantic Love Hardwired Into Our Brains?         


Author: Immortalist
Date: Jan 8, 2007 13:01

"It became apparent to me that
romantic love was a drive -- a
drive as strong as thirst,
as hunger..." --Helen Fisher

If romantic passion is hardwired into our brains by millions of years
of evolution, it is not an emotion; it is a drive as powerful as
hunger.

Anthropologist Fisher argues that much of our romantic behavior is
hard-wired in [her] provocative examination of love. Her case is
bolstered by behavioral research into the effects of two crucial
chemicals, norepinephrine and dopamine, and by surveys she conducted
across broad populations.

When we fall in love, she says, our brains create dramatic surges of
energy that fuel such feelings as passion, obsessiveness, joy and
jealousy. Fisher devotes a fascinating and substantial chapter to the
appearance of romance and love among non-human animals, and composes
careful theories about early humans in love.
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Re: Is Romantic Love Hardwired Into Our Brains?         


Author: Sir Frederick
Date: Jan 8, 2007 13:17

Of course it is, complete with the associated "feelings" self quale
of that sort of brain function.

Please recognize that as in all aspects of the human condition,
normal variations in genetics and development make us each as
different in internal structure and function as we are in external
structure and function.
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Re: Is Romantic Love Hardwired Into Our Brains?         


Author: Masculist
Date: Jan 8, 2007 13:34

Sir Frederick wrote:
> Of course it is, complete with the associated "feelings" self quale
> of that sort of brain function.

What's "quale"?
> Please recognize that as in all aspects of the human condition,
> normal variations in genetics and development make us each as
> different in internal structure and function as we are in external
> structure and function.

Not that much different.

She summed it up in th elast paragraph when she equated "romantic love"
with procreation and it's requirements. However, not many stop at one
kid and move on so there must be an equivalent drive keeping the family
together for much longer than 4 years. Funny how she doesn't postulate
that.

Feminism would be a joke if it weren't for women using sex to sell it.
Four years gives women more sex partners and therefore more power.

Tom
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Re: Is Romantic Love Hardwired Into Our Brains?         


Author: Immortalist
Date: Jan 8, 2007 13:49

Masculist wrote:
> Sir Frederick wrote:
>> Of course it is, complete with the associated "feelings" self quale
>> of that sort of brain function.
>
> What's "quale"?
>
>> Please recognize that as in all aspects of the human condition,
>> normal variations in genetics and development make us each as
>> different in internal structure and function as we are in external
>> structure and function.
>
> Not that much different.
>
> She summed it up in th elast paragraph when she equated "romantic love"
> with procreation and it's requirements. However, not many stop at one
> kid and move on so there must be an equivalent drive keeping the family
> together for much longer than 4 years. Funny how she doesn't postulate
> that.
> ...
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Re: Is Romantic Love Hardwired Into Our Brains?         


Author: Sir Frederick
Date: Jan 8, 2007 15:30

On 8 Jan 2007 13:34:53 -0800, "Masculist" gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Sir Frederick wrote:
>> Of course it is, complete with the associated "feelings" self quale
>> of that sort of brain function.
>
>What's "quale"?

"Quale" is singular form of "qualia".

The various processes of our brain are IMO represented in our experience
as "self qualia", "mind" being one such (others : feelings, consciousness,
personification, etc.).

The use of qualia or quale in association with self is unique to me.
Here is the normal usage :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia
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Re: Is Romantic Love Hardwired Into Our Brains?         


Author: Anthony Campbell
Date: Jan 9, 2007 04:49

On 2007-01-08, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
> "It became apparent to me that
> romantic love was a drive -- a
> drive as strong as thirst,
> as hunger..." --Helen Fisher
>
> If romantic passion is hardwired into our brains by millions of years
> of evolution, it is not an emotion; it is a drive as powerful as
> hunger.
>
> Anthropologist Fisher argues that much of our romantic behavior is
> hard-wired in [her] provocative examination of love. Her case is
> bolstered by behavioral research into the effects of two crucial
> chemicals, norepinephrine and dopamine, and by surveys she conducted
> across broad populations.
>

Doesn't she discuss oxytocin and vasopressin, which are currently
attracting a lot of attention in this field?
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Re: Is Romantic Love Hardwired Into Our Brains?         


Author: Immortalist
Date: Jan 9, 2007 19:37

Anthony Campbell wrote:
> On 2007-01-08, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "It became apparent to me that
>> romantic love was a drive -- a
>> drive as strong as thirst,
>> as hunger..." --Helen Fisher
>>
>> If romantic passion is hardwired into our brains by millions of years
>> of evolution, it is not an emotion; it is a drive as powerful as
>> hunger.
>>
>> Anthropologist Fisher argues that much of our romantic behavior is
>> hard-wired in [her] provocative examination of love. Her case is
>> bolstered by behavioral research into the effects of two crucial
>> chemicals, norepinephrine and dopamine, and by surveys she conducted
>> across broad populations.
>>
>
> Doesn't she discuss oxytocin and vasopressin, which are currently
> attracting a lot of attention in this field. ...
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Re: Is Romantic Love Hardwired Into Our Brains?         


Author: Vernon Dozier
Date: Jan 10, 2007 08:05

Sir Frederick wrote:
> On 8 Jan 2007 13:34:53 -0800, "Masculist" gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Sir Frederick wrote:
>>> Of course it is, complete with the associated "feelings" self quale
>>> of that sort of brain function.
>>
>>What's "quale"?
>
> "Quale" is singular form of "qualia".
>
> The various processes of our brain are IMO represented in our experience
> as "self qualia", "mind" being one such (others : feelings, consciousness,
> personification, etc.).
>
> The use of qualia or quale in association with self is unique to me.
> Here is the normal usage :
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia
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Re: Is Romantic Love Hardwired Into Our Brains?         


Author: Turin
Date: Jan 10, 2007 12:36

Vernon Dozier postulated:
> Sir Frederick wrote:
>> On 8 Jan 2007 13:34:53 -0800, "Malefeminist" gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sir Frederick wrote:
>>>> Of course it is, complete with the associated "feelings" self quale
>>>> of that sort of brain function.
>>> What's "quale"?
>> "Quale" is singular form of "qualia".
>>
>> The various processes of our brain are IMO represented in our experience
>> as "self qualia", "mind" being one such (others : feelings, consciousness,
>> personification, etc.).
>>
>> The use of qualia or quale in association with self is unique to me.
>> Here is the normal usage :
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia
>
> Interesting. Thanks Sir Fred.
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