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Re: Is Morality Possible Without Religion?         

Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: Gary Childress
Date: Jul 20, 2008 18:57

On Jul 20, 9:35 pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 20, 6:28 pm, Gary Childress earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Just curious how far alt.philosophy has turned into
>> alt.christianity.fundamentalism.
>
>> What do others think?  Is morality necessarily based upon religion?
>> Can only a nation under God be a good nation?
>
> If we are endowed with a moral faculty that delivers judgments of
> right and wrong based on unconsciously operative and inaccessible
> principles of action [and] a universal moral grammar, built into the
> brains of all humans; grammar is a set of principles that operate on
> the basis of the causes and consequences of action, [and the religious
> modules must be activated to some degree for moral experience to
> happen then yes, morality is somewhat connected with religion.
>
> ------------------------
>
> The mind is composed of a large number of mental modules each designed
> to solve a specific problem. For example, there is one mechanism for
> perceiving three dimensions, another for anger, another for falling in
> love. The mind is like a Swiss Army knife; i.e., it has lots of
> specialized tools. There is no such thing as general intelligence,
> general learning, or any other general ability to solve problems.
>
> http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/463evolpsyIQ.html
>
> ...we are endowed with a moral faculty that delivers judgments of
> right and wrong based on unconsciously operative and inaccessible
> principles of action. The theory posits a universal moral grammar,
> built into the brains of all humans. The grammar is a set of
> principles that operate on the basis of the causes and consequences of
> action. Thus, in the same way that we are endowed with a language
> faculty that consists of a universal toolkit for building possible
> languages, we are also endowed with a moral faculty that consists of a
> universal toolkit for building possible moral systems.
>
> http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/11/marc-hauser-mor.html
>
> Moral Minds: How Nature Designed Our Universal
> Sense of Right and Wrong - by Marc Hauserhttp://www.amazon.com/Moral-Minds-Nature-Designed-Universal/dp/006078...
>
> If across the globe and throughout history, human beings have engaged
> in a variety of religious practices and have held a diversity of
> religious beliefs and these phenomena have been explained in a variety
> of different ways by anthropologists, psychologists, and other
> scholars, as well as by religious practitioners themselves, with
> varying degrees of success, then perhaps more puzzling, and just in
> need of an explanation, is the fact that all human beings have
> religion  in the first place.
>
> If religion is a by-product of the way our minds evolved to negotiate
> the natural and, more importantly, the social world and the
> explanation for religious beliefs and behaviours is to be found in the
> way all human minds work.
>
> Religious concepts activate various functionally distinct mental
> systems, present also in non-religious contexts, and ‘tweak’ the usual
> inferences of these systems. They deal with detection and
> representation of animacy and agency, social exchange, moral
> intuitions, precaution against natural hazards and understanding of
> misfortune. Each of these activates distinct neural resources or
> families of networks.
>
> The Inferential Instinct: ...a naturalistic account of cultural
> representations that describes how evolved conceptual dispositions
> make humans likely to acquire certain concepts more easily than
> others. The aggregated result of these individual acquisition
> processes channels cultures along particular paths, with the result
> that some concepts are both relatively stable within a group and
> recurrent among different groups.
>
> Our brains have been "designed by evolution" to employ particular
> cognitive systems that help us to make sense of "particular aspects of
> objects around us and produce specific kinds of inferences about
> them." There are, for instance, brain–systems in this sense that deal
> with inanimate objects, others that deal with human persons, and yet
> others that deal with supernatural agents. Just as our brains have
> become by evolution such that they inevitably (and mostly
> unconsciously) deploy the complex inferential systems that permit us
> to survive and get around in a world of inanimate objects, so they
> also have become such that we find ideas about full–access strategic
> agents to be plausible because these ideas generate for us rich
> inferences about how to behave and what choices to make, and they do
> so with particular richness in a social context in which we can
> reasonably assume that everyone else shares such ideas.
>
> Scientists themselves thus reverse many traditional attempts to
> explain religion away. It is not that we invent the gods because by so
> doing we can meet needs otherwise difficult to satisfy, or because
> they permit us to explain things otherwise hard to explain, or because
> they give us the illusion of comfort in a harsh and comfortless world,
> or because they give us persuasive reasons to act morally. It is,
> rather, that evolution has equipped us (or most of us) with certain
> proclivities or dispositions to explain misfortune, gain scarce social
> goods, and act morally (roughly, acting in such a way as
> evolutionarily to benefit either ourselves or the tribe).
>
> Moreover, these proclivities dispose us to accept and act upon the
> idea that there are gods—or, if you prefer, full–access strategic
> agents. Evolution makes all of us likely worshipers in much the same
> way that it makes all of us likely language–users. We are innately
> predisposed for both, and so such disparate religious traditions as
> Christian theology, Islamic law, and Buddhist metaphysics are merely
> different forms of baroque ornamentations added on to an evolutionary
> edifice.
>
> Religion Explained: The Human Instincts That
> Fashion Gods, Spirits and Ancestors
> by Pascal Boyerhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obi­dos/ASIN/0465006965/
>
>
>
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>
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I'm wondering if I was right? There seem to be two predominate types
of people running around these forums. Those who think everything
revolves around God and those that think they ought to stick up for
those who think everything revolves around God.

"Religion explained?" Give me a break.
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