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Author: Gary ChildressGary Childress Date: Jul 20, 2008 18:28
Just curious how far alt.philosophy has turned into
alt.christianity.fundamentalism.
What do others think? Is morality necessarily based upon religion?
Can only a nation under God be a good nation?
Thanks.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jul 20, 2008 18:35
On Jul 20, 6:28 pm, Gary Childress earthlink.net> wrote:> Just curious how far alt.philosophy has turned into
> alt.christianity.fundamentalism.
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> What do others think? Is morality necessarily based upon religion?
> Can only a nation under God be a good nation?
>
If we are endowed with a moral faculty that delivers judgments of
right and wrong based on unconsciously operative and inaccessible
principles of action [and] a universal moral grammar, built into the
brains of all humans; grammar is a set of principles that operate on
the basis of the causes and consequences of action, [and the religious
modules must be activated to some degree for moral experience to
happen then yes, morality is somewhat connected with religion.
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Author: Gary ChildressGary Childress Date: Jul 20, 2008 18:57
On Jul 20, 9:35Â pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jul 20, 6:28 pm, Gary Childress earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Just curious how far alt.philosophy has turned into
>> alt.christianity.fundamentalism.
>
>> What do others think? Â Is morality necessarily based upon religion?
>> Can only a nation under God be a good nation?
>
> If we are endowed with a moral faculty that delivers judgments of
> right and wrong based on unconsciously operative and inaccessible
> principles of action [and] a universal moral grammar, built into the
> brains of all humans; grammar is a set of principles that operate on
> the basis of the causes and consequences of action, [and the religious
> modules must be activated to some degree for moral experience to
> happen then yes, morality is somewhat connected with religion.
>
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> The mind is composed of a large number of mental modules each designed ...
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Jul 20, 2008 19:07
On Jul 20, 9:28Â pm, Gary Childress earthlink.net> wrote:> Just curious how far alt.philosophy has turned into
> alt.christianity.fundamentalism.
>
> What do others think? Â Is morality necessarily based upon religion?
> Can only a nation under God be a good nation?
>
> Thanks.
The locals cultural conditioning and lack of imagination instill
stagnation.
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Author: Daniel T.Daniel T. Date: Jul 20, 2008 19:10
Gary Childress earthlink.net> wrote:
> Just curious how far alt.philosophy has turned into
> alt.christianity.fundamentalism.
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> What do others think? Is morality necessarily based upon religion?
No, however I think the reverse is true... Religion is necessarily based
on morality.
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Author: Gary ChildressGary Childress Date: Jul 20, 2008 19:37
On Jul 20, 10:10Â pm, "Daniel T." earthlink.net> wrote:> Gary Childress earthlink.net> wrote:>> Just curious how far alt.philosophy has turned into
>> alt.christianity.fundamentalism.
>
>> What do others think? Â Is morality necessarily based upon religion?
>
> No, however I think the reverse is true... Religion is necessarily based
> on morality.
I agree. I think Religion has to be based upon morality in order to
flourish. An immoral religion will eventually break down of its own
inadequacies.
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Jul 20, 2008 20:07
On Jul 20, 10:10Â pm, "Daniel T." earthlink.net> wrote:> Gary Childress earthlink.net> wrote:>> Just curious how far alt.philosophy has turned into
>> alt.christianity.fundamentalism.
>
>> What do others think? Â Is morality necessarily based upon religion?
>
> No, however I think the reverse is true... Religion is necessarily based
> on morality.
a tree of morality:
individual > society > mysticism > philosophy
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Jul 20, 2008 20:12
On Jul 20, 9:28Â pm, Gary Childress earthlink.net> wrote:
(snip)> Can only a nation under God be a good nation?
Can any nation be a "good nation"?
Probably not.
"For linguist and social analyst Noam Chomsky, hypocrisy, defined as
the refusal to "...apply to ourselves the same standards we apply to
others" is one of the central evils of our societ
--promoting
injustices such as war and social inequalities in a framework of self-
deception, which includes the notion that hypocrisy itself is a
necessary or beneficial part of human behavior and society."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
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Author: Gary ChildressGary Childress Date: Jul 20, 2008 20:41
On Jul 20, 11:12Â pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:> On Jul 20, 9:28Â pm, Gary Childress earthlink.net> wrote:
> (snip)
>>> Can only a nation under God be a good nation?
>
> Can any nation be a "good nation"?
>
> Probably not.
>
> "For linguist and social analyst Noam Chomsky, hypocrisy, defined as
> the refusal to "...apply to ourselves the same standards we apply to
> others" is one of the central evils of our society--promoting
> injustices such as war and social inequalities in a framework of self-
> deception, which includes the notion that hypocrisy itself is a
> necessary or beneficial part of human behavior and society."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
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Author: Mark EarnestMark Earnest Date: Jul 20, 2008 21:18
> Just curious how far alt.philosophy has turned into
> alt.christianity.fundamentalism.
>
> What do others think? Is morality necessarily based upon religion?
Maybe, if you were brought up that way.
> Can only a nation under God be a good nation?
Depends on how you look at it.
To atheists, God is substance.
To theists, God is ritual.
Either way, you can't really make it without him.
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