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Is logic world dependent or not?         


Author: John Jones
Date: Sep 5, 2008 17:31

To answer that question in the title, I assume in the first instance
that logic is a posteriori or world-dependent. I begin by arguing for a
particular distinction between logic and informal description:

A (formal) logic always reflects the worldy objects and behaviours that
our informal descriptions have traditionally presented to us. That is,
logic is a posteriori - world-dependent. A distinction here is that in a
formal logic the multiplicity of contexts found in informal descriptions
is reduced to a general case. This allows logic to be represented
through syntax alone.

However, neither a formal symbolism nor the employment of general cases
can bring us the hoped-for elimination of informal vaguary that a formal
logic has always seemed to promise us. Indeed, the claim of logic
'clearing up' informal description fails to recognise the distinctions
between formal logic and informal descriptions that I argue for here.
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Re: Is logic world dependent or not?         


Author: Immortalist
Date: Sep 5, 2008 23:09

On Sep 5, 5:31 pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote:
> To answer that question in the title, I assume in the first instance
> that logic is a posteriori or world-dependent. I begin by arguing for a
> particular distinction between logic and informal description:
>
> A (formal) logic always reflects the worldy objects and behaviours that
> our informal descriptions have traditionally presented to us. That is,
> logic is a posteriori - world-dependent. A distinction here is that in a
> formal logic the multiplicity of contexts found in informal descriptions
> is reduced to a general case. This allows logic to be represented
> through syntax alone.
>

This debate always seems like the first cause argument and
foundationalists seem to resort to it alot. But priori simply means,
"with no reference to empirical data from the senses. Who cares how
the memories of sense data got in the head, apriori means simply logic
in the head alone by adding concepts to memories with no reference to
incoming signals for justification.
> However, neither a formal symbolism nor the employment of general cases
> can bring us the hoped-for elimination of informal vaguary that a formal
> logic has always seemed to promise us. Indeed, the...
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Re: Is logic world dependent or not?         


Author: ZerkonX
Date: Sep 6, 2008 05:54

On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:31:29 +0100, John Jones wrote:
> But if it is a 'conceptual' clarity that we seek to promote in logic
> then this cannot be guaranteed by either formalism or by generalising
> particular cases; we are left to wonder precisely how such clarity could
> be achieved. But then such a means, if it existed, would make logic a
> priori and not a posteriori. So until such a means is given a name and a
> description, let us leave it the way I started out and say that logic is
> a posteriori - world dependent.

Conceptual clarity is usually attached to the physical, I think.

'Action' is a means by which clarity develops. Clarity, in relative
terms, then is directly proportional to the physical or that which is
thought different from thought. Mind as opposed to matter, as the
possibly very mistaken saying goes.

I don't get the "priori and not a posteriori" question exactly. If an
example where given, it would help me out anyway.
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