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>> Milan wrote:

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>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:

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>>>> "In the  Gospels, Jesus  himself never  mentions homosexuality.
>>>> And  he   seldom  even   discusses  sexual   sin. In  contrast,
>>>> the   Gospels   are   full    of   Jesus'   teachings   against
>>>> self-righteousness, greed, pride,  bigotry, sexism, racism, and
>>>> hypocrisy. Like  Amos  and  Isaiah before  him,  Jesus  roundly
>>>> condemns the  rich and powerful  who exploit, cheat,  or ignore
>>>> the  poor. For  Jesus, immorality  had  much  more to  do  with
>>>> economic  injustice  than with  sex. He  taught  a morality  of
>>>> love."

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>>> Please give us the passages  of the gospels where Jesus condemns
>>> racism, slavery or economic injustice.

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>> Indeed.

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>> The Gospels are uniformly and virulently anti-Semitic. Jesus gives
>> a wink and a nod to a  slavemaster in the only passage touching on
>> slavery. And Jesus in no uncertain terms repeatedly emphasizes the
>> need  for his  followers  to  be in  the  most desperate  possible
>> poverty if they're to have any hope of salvation.

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>> As  for the  rest...the only  passage condemning  lesbians in  the
>> Bible  comes  from  Paul,  who also  hated  gay  men. Jesus  might
>> have  said, ``don't  be  self-righteous,'' but  he also  commanded
>> his  followers to  be  obnoxious door-to-door  Jesus salesmen  who
>> proved  their worth  to  the rest  of the  world  by being  better
>> than  everybody else. He  wasn't anti-greed  at all  -- quite  the
>> contrary. He  was pro-poverty,  and the  only reason  he gave  his
>> followers to do  anything at all is for the  rewards awaiting them
>> in Heaven. Jesus himself was overbearingly  proud, to the point of
>> insulting  his mother,  of taking  upon himself  the wrath  of the
>> entire Middle Eastern power establishment, and the like.

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>> And hypocrisy? This is the same man who preached turning the other
>> cheek  on the  one  hand,  and war  and  eternal  hellfire on  the
>> other. It's the same  god who created the world with  love and who
>> promises to destroy it in  the most atrocious possible manner. The
>> same god  who wants you  for a sunbeam  and who'll condemn  you to
>> infinite torture  if you don't kiss  his ass in exactly  the right
>> (and impossible) way.

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>> No,  it's  quite clear:  all  the  self-righteous, greedy,  proud,
>> bigoted,  sexist,  racist,   hypocritical  Christians  are  merely
>> reflecting  the values  of  their mythical  founder. The ones  who
>> transcend  all that  to be  good  people do  so in  spite of,  not
>> because of, their religion.

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>> Cheers,

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>> b&

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> The fact is that humans prefer their way of existence.
> If striking commandments with lightning into stone by the very god did not
> make a difference to the orgies and lust and sinful ways of humans - then
> what hope would Jesus have?
> And you can see from the world today.
> No difference at all.
> Flash cars - baby seals murdered for fur coats - elephants murdered for
> trinkets - money and materialism and lust of things of the flesh are the
> human "preference".
> You cannot CHANGE humans by being a god or a jesus.
> They will SHUN any god or jesus or even an angel as they WANT their lust and
> money and materialism and greed - as this is the way humans are.
> It is like a jesus appearing to dogs and saying they must not enjoy their
> sense of smell.
> Dogs would say "what?" but that is intrinsic to them - that is part of their
> way of existence.
> The same as lust and sin and evil and materialism are the way for humans.
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