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Author: Michael PriceMichael Price Date: Mar 4, 2007 06:25
Ron Allen wrote:
> Ron Allen wrote:
>> Communism is itself a democratically planned
>> formula for the rational distribution of
>> socially produced goods, either according to
>> individual merit/work, or according to
>> individual need/want.
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>
> Michael Price wrote:
>> And you have no right to impose that formula
>> on me or the people I cooperative with to
>> produce. I get it very much.
>
> Ron Allen answers:
> I agree with you that I have no right to impose
> the communist formula -- "From each according to
> ability; to each according to need" -- on you, or
> on any person or group. The communist formula is
> a proposition, a suggestion, a recommendation. ...
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Author: Ron AllenRon Allen Date: Jul 8, 2007 12:36
Ron Allen wrote:
> As for your praise of risk, you have stated in
> the past that risk is an income-producing
> occupation, an income-justifying activity.
Michael Price wrote:
> I said that taking economic risk produced
> income, not that risk itself did. I praised
> taking risks because of it's results when done
> freely and with knowledge and forethought.
Ron Allen wrote:
> You do not contradict, but rather, you confirm
> what I wrote above, Michael.
Michael Price wrote:
> No I directly contradicted it. You are so
> fucking stupid you can't tell the difference
> between taking risks in certain circumstances
> and risk itself.
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Author: johnbkennedy1985johnbkennedy1985 Date: Aug 12, 2007 21:53
>> Some regions will be like Star Trek, no money, just
>> like the tv show, but on land.
>
> Never quite sure how the Star Trek economy worked. It's
>quite a mystery really.
They use machines (replicators) to make most of the things they need.
They also eliminate a lot of unnecessary jobs like printing currency,
working at the bank, advertising products, etc.
That frees up a lot of time to do better things.
More time for socializing/fun, and inventing more
technology for even greater benefits.
Companies often make products that fail early so they
can sell replacements and make more profit.
Trek doesnt do that. They don't use money/profit,
so they make things that last.
We could get those benefits with regional competition,
where people select regions that have high standards
of living instead of more profit.
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Author: Ron AllenRon Allen Date: Sep 14, 2007 08:28
Ron Allen wrote:
> If a citizen refuses to work, then that refusal
> to work is the community's problem, because it
> is destructive of community life for some people
> to freeload, for some to live off the generosity
> of others, for lazy people to sponge off the
> productive work of the rest of the community.
> There is a primitive Christian communist
> principle which could be appropriate to such a
> situation, and which could be applied in such a
> circumstance. This principle is found in the
> Christian New Testament, in the second letter of
> Paul to the Thessalonian Church: "If any one
> will not work, let him not eat."
pico wrote:
> So this ideal democracy would have a Christian
> foundation?
Ron Allen wrote:
I do not believe that Paul's instruction is a
uniquely or distinctively christian precept.
I believe that there is some moral truth in the
sacred scriptures of the christians, just as...
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Author: Ron AllenRon Allen Date: Sep 14, 2007 08:37
AH#2 wrote:
> And what are you going to do with the abusers?
> And how?
> Would it be any person's right to take 'em out,
> or is that left to you?
Ron Allen wrote:
> If we can get rid of absolute and arbitrary
> power, if we can get rid of structural and
> systematic positions of power, then we will have
> also gotten rid of the ability of some to take,
> buy, earn, or seize such positions of power. If
> we abolish the positions of absolute power, the
> possibility of arbitrary power, then there will
> be no more temptations to take power, no more
> enticements to buy power, no more invitations to
> win power, and no more incentives to seize
> power.
pico wrote:
> Typcial NORP thinking. Look it up.
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Author: Michael PriceMichael Price Date: Sep 14, 2007 19:46
On Sep 15, 12:36 am, Ron Allen bellsouth.net> wrote:> Ron Allen wrote:
>> When the government is subservient to the
>> citizens, then you have an anarchist and
>> democratic society. As long as the government
>> is independent and isolated from society, then
>> you continue to have an authoritarian and
>> statist form of government.
>
> Michael Price wrote:
>> Blah, blah, blah, same old rubbish. How is the
>> government made "dependent"?
>
> Ron Allen wrote:
>> If by "dependent" is meant "subject to", or
>> "determined by", then the government is made
>> "dependent" when the government is subjected to
>> the democratic will of the citizens, rather than
>> the majority of the population being the
>> subjects of an ...
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Author: Michael PriceMichael Price Date: Sep 14, 2007 19:47
On Sep 15, 1:44 am, Ron Allen bellsouth.net> wrote:> Ron Allen wrote:
>> An error is not a lie. What I believe may be an
>> error; but, I do not lie.
>
> Michael Price wrote:
>> But it's not an error, if it had been you would
>> have abandoned it when I disproved it, which I
>> did. It was a lie, if not the first time you
>> said it then several times since.
>
> Ron Allen wrote:
>> I suppose that there is nothing more I can say
>> to satisfy you that I am not lying about what I
>> say I believe.
>
> Michael Price wrote:
>> Of course not because you are. If you really
>> believed that there is no criticism of democracy
>> that is not a criticism of liberty you would ...
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Author: Ron AllenRon Allen Date: Sep 16, 2007 07:58
Ron Allen wrote:
> An error is not a lie. What I believe may be an
> error; but, I do not lie.
Michael Price wrote:
> But it's not an error, if it had been you would
> have abandoned it when I disproved it, which I
> did. It was a lie, if not the first time you
> said it then several times since.
Ron Allen wrote:
> I suppose that there is nothing more I can say
> to satisfy you that I am not lying about what I
> say I believe.
Michael Price wrote:
> Of course not because you are. If you really
> believed that there is no criticism of democracy
> that is not a criticism of liberty you would
> have changed your mind when I provided one.
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Author: Ron AllenRon Allen Date: Sep 16, 2007 13:15
Michael Price wrote:
> You're insane Ron.
Ron Allen answers:
Do insane people lie?
Besides that, if you're arguing with a person that
you believe is insane, then what are you?
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"Arrogance is an impediment to wisdom."
-- Bias of Priene, flourished 570 BCE, Greek
philosopher, born in Ionia
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