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is Agnosticism the answer?         


Date: Sep 2, 2007 19:22

I am not well-versed in philosophy, so I can't argue well in logic or
semantics. This is a common argument; it has bothered me for some
time, and I would like to hear a response.

I have heard it all too often that atheism is a rational alternative
to believing in the authority of an organized religion. we do not seem
to come into contact with supernatural or divine powers in our day-to-
day lives (so far as it seems, from measured experience and empirical
observations). Fundamentalist religion also contradicts science when
not seen from the perspective of moral teachings in the form of
metaphors or analogous allusions. You've heard this before, and again.
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Re: is Agnosticism the answer?         


Author: ta
Date: Sep 2, 2007 20:33

On Sep 2, 10:22 pm, KedarG...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am not well-versed in philosophy, so I can't argue well in logic or
> semantics. This is a common argument; it has bothered me for some
> time, and I would like to hear a response.
>
> I have heard it all too often that atheism is a rational alternative
> to believing in the authority of an organized religion. we do not seem
> to come into contact with supernatural or divine powers in our day-to-
> day lives (so far as it seems, from measured experience and empirical
> observations). Fundamentalist religion also contradicts science when
> not seen from the perspective of moral teachings in the form of
> metaphors or analogous allusions. You've heard this before, and again.
>
> though atheism would seem to be a practical answer, is it not also
> rooted in a form of ignorance (albeit a less degree of ignorance
> because it is based on experience)? from the supreme limitedness of
> our experiences, is it possible or practical to universally prove or
> disprove something so fundamental (and definitively ambiguous) as the
> concept of God? for that matter, is it really necessary to know or
> believe in whether or not God exists to live a fruitful life? I can ...
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Re: is Agnosticism the answer?         


Author: brian fletcher
Date: Sep 2, 2007 20:38

gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I am not well-versed in philosophy, so I can't argue well in logic or
> semantics. This is a common argument; it has bothered me for some
> time, and I would like to hear a response.
>
> I have heard it all too often that atheism is a rational alternative
> to believing in the authority of an organized religion. we do not seem
> to come into contact with supernatural or divine powers in our day-to-
> day lives (so far as it seems, from measured experience and empirical
> observations). Fundamentalist religion also contradicts science when
> not seen from the perspective of moral teachings in the form of
> metaphors or analogous allusions. You've heard this before, and again.
>
> though atheism would seem to be a practical answer, is it not also
> rooted in a form of ignorance (albeit a less degree of ignorance
> because it is based on experience)? from the supreme limitedness of
> our experiences, is it possible or practical to universally prove or
> disprove something so fundamental (and definitively ambiguous) as the
> concept of God? for that matter, is it really necessary to know or ...
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Re: is Agnosticism the answer?         


Author: Mark Earnest
Date: Sep 2, 2007 21:44

gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188786130.149044.302570@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>I am not well-versed in philosophy, so I can't argue well in logic or
> semantics. This is a common argument; it has bothered me for some
> time, and I would like to hear a response.
>
> I have heard it all too often that atheism is a rational alternative
> to believing in the authority of an organized religion. we do not seem
> to come into contact with supernatural or divine powers in our day-to-
> day lives (so far as it seems, from measured experience and empirical
> observations). Fundamentalist religion also contradicts science when
> not seen from the perspective of moral teachings in the form of
> metaphors or analogous allusions. You've heard this before, and again.
>
> though atheism would seem to be a practical answer, is it not also
> rooted in a form of ignorance (albeit a less degree of ignorance
> because it is based on experience)? from the supreme limitedness of
> our experiences, is it possible or practical to universally prove or
> disprove something so fundamental (and definitively ambiguous) as the
> concept of God? for that matter, is it really necessary to know or ...
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Re: is Agnosticism the answer?         


Author: kevirwin
Date: Sep 2, 2007 23:02

On Sep 2, 10:22 pm, KedarG...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am not well-versed in philosophy, so I can't argue well in logic or
> semantics. This is a common argument; it has bothered me for some
> time, and I would like to hear a response.
>
> I have heard it all too often that atheism is a rational alternative
> to believing in the authority of an organized religion. we do not seem
> to come into contact with supernatural or divine powers in our day-to-
> day lives (so far as it seems, from measured experience and empirical
> observations). Fundamentalist religion also contradicts science when
> not seen from the perspective of moral teachings in the form of
> metaphors or analogous allusions. You've heard this before, and again.
>
> though atheism would seem to be a practical answer, is it not also
> rooted in a form of ignorance (albeit a less degree of ignorance
> because it is based on experience)? from the supreme limitedness of
> our experiences, is it possible or practical to universally prove or
> disprove something so fundamental (and definitively ambiguous) as the
> concept of God? for that matter, is it really necessary to know or
> believe in whether or not God exists to live a fruitful life? I can ...
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Re: is Agnosticism the answer?         


Author: Sir Frederick
Date: Sep 3, 2007 00:13

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 23:02:46 -0700, kevirwin comcast.net> wrote:
>Sounds like you're pretty well-versed to me...As you said:
>
>there's no way to absolutely prove or disprove God, so why bother
>anyway?
>
>works for me...
>
>K e v
Not everyone's brain is the same as yours Kev.
The common brain structures and functions of
the primate folk people include
religious or mystical experiences based on those
brain structures and functions.
The personification and tribal socialization of those
experiences often lead to a commitment other than
atheism or agnosticism.
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Re: is Agnosticism the answer?         


Date: Sep 3, 2007 00:33

On Sep 2, 11:44 pm, "Mark Earnest" yahoo.com> wrote:
> gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1188786130.149044.302570@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>>I am not well-versed in philosophy, so I can't argue well in logic or
>> semantics. This is a common argument; it has bothered me for some
>> time, and I would like to hear a response.
>
>> I have heard it all too often that atheism is a rational alternative
>> to believing in the authority of an organized religion. we do not seem
>> to come into contact with supernatural or divine powers in our day-to-
>> day lives (so far as it seems, from measured experience and empirical
>> observations). Fundamentalist religion also contradicts science when
>> not seen from the perspective of moral teachings in the form of
>> metaphors or analogous allusions. You've heard this before, and again.
>
>> though atheism would seem to be a practical answer, is it not also ...
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Re: is Agnosticism the answer?         


Author: Michael Gordge
Date: Sep 3, 2007 00:33

On Sep 3, 11:22 am, KedarG...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am not well-versed in philosophy, so I can't argue well in logic or
> semantics. This is a common argument; it has bothered me for some
> time, and I would like to hear a response.

Impaled with a fence pale rammed right up your arse on the coward's
fence of evasion, for no other reason than 2 or 3 billion mystics
might be right, FFS get a life.

The agnostic does NOT take any position, it avoids one, too fucking
scared.

At least the mystics have got the balls to state their position, as
irrational and as silly as it is, the position of the mystics is a
great deal more tenable than that of the dopey cowardly agnostic
mystic in waiting, eh kevirwin?

Michael Gordge
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Re: is Agnosticism the answer?         


Date: Sep 3, 2007 00:34

On Sep 2, 11:44 pm, "Mark Earnest" yahoo.com> wrote:
> gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1188786130.149044.302570@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>>I am not well-versed in philosophy, so I can't argue well in logic or
>> semantics. This is a common argument; it has bothered me for some
>> time, and I would like to hear a response.
>
>> I have heard it all too often that atheism is a rational alternative
>> to believing in the authority of an organized religion. we do not seem
>> to come into contact with supernatural or divine powers in our day-to-
>> day lives (so far as it seems, from measured experience and empirical
>> observations). Fundamentalist religion also contradicts science when
>> not seen from the perspective of moral teachings in the form of
>> metaphors or analogous allusions. You've heard this before, and again.
>
>> though atheism would seem to be a practical answer, is it not also ...
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Re: is Agnosticism the answer?         


Date: Sep 3, 2007 00:48

On Sep 3, 2:33 am, Michael Gordge xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> On Sep 3, 11:22 am, KedarG...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am not well-versed in philosophy, so I can't argue well in logic or
>> semantics. This is a common argument; it has bothered me for some
>> time, and I would like to hear a response.
>
> Impaled with a fence pale rammed right up your arse on the coward's
> fence of evasion, for no other reason than 2 or 3 billion mystics
> might be right, FFS get a life.
>
> The agnostic does NOT take any position, it avoids one, too fucking
> scared.
>
> At least the mystics have got the balls to state their position, as
> irrational and as silly as it is, the position of the mystics is a
> great deal more tenable than that of the dopey cowardly agnostic
> mystic in waiting, eh kevirwin?
>
> Michael Gordge ...
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