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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jul 24, 2007 10:26
Is the internet just another form of electronic media that will be
mainstreamed and censored by corporate advertising dollars?
As the percentage of people that use the internet grows, how will the
regular world adapt if the product cannot be mainstreamed and packaged
like other electronics based media like the music, film,and television
industries? What would have to happen to the internet to make it as
profitable as other electronic genres?
They call it [electronic media] the fifth branch of government.
After the Congress, the President, the Supreme Court, and the federal
bureaucracy, no institution has an impact on the American government
as large as the media. Yet its members are not elected by the people,
and its motives are often driven by profit.
Since colonial days, newspapers have shaped the views of American
citizens of the political leaders and institutions. The twentieth
century introduced radio and television as powerful new players in
politics. As the millennium came to a close, politicians wrestled with
the impact of the newest form of media - the internet.
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Author: kmurphy004kmurphy004 Date: Jul 24, 2007 15:20
On 24-Jul-2007, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is the internet just another form of electronic media that will be
> mainstreamed and censored by corporate advertising dollars?
It doesn't have to be censored, nobody reads the crap we post to the
newsgroups. It would cost millions of dollars to make even a small
percentage of internet users aware of Usenet, much less to use it. Support
Texas independance, legalize cock biting, and poligamy... See, I'm still
here... The censors must have missed that one.
--
Overheard:"If I am a friend of the family then I at least must be from
Texas. You shouldn't worry your pretty little head about politics, baby, if
it is something that you're curious about, just ask an adult and we'll keep
you informed."
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: Jul 24, 2007 17:19
Even within the Internet's interactive advantages
a significant weakness remains : that is the normal
anonymity of the user. How this will play our I don't
know. I have on occasion wished for some means for
damaging some user.
Where transactions occur that require accountability,
various structural changes will occur. In the case of
illegal transactions we see stings and trap houses.
With legal transactions various banking procedures
have been set up. Also soon we may see such as
Amazon buying out such as UPS or FED EX.
Then there are the many ISPs, these will probably be bought
up by such as AT&T, at least consolidated, we have seen
some of this already. Perhaps AT&T will then buy out Amazon
until we deal with only one company.
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Jul 24, 2007 23:46
On Jul 24, 8:19 pm, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:
> Even within the Internet's interactive advantages
> a significant weakness remains : that is the normal
> anonymity of the user. How this will play our I don't
> know. I have on occasion wished for some means for
> damaging some user.
> Where transactions occur that require accountability,
> various structural changes will occur. In the case of
> illegal transactions we see stings and trap houses.
> With legal transactions various banking procedures
> have been set up. Also soon we may see such as
> Amazon buying out such as UPS or FED EX.
> Then there are the many ISPs, these will probably be bought
> up by such as AT&T, at least consolidated, we have seen
> some of this already. Perhaps AT&T will then buy out Amazon
> until we deal with only one company.
Worry is certainly justified. But I dont see enuf method in their
madness to setup a sustainable system. I worry more about anarchy as a
result of environmental and resource mismanagement. For that reason,
from time to time, I suggest to keep your old 56k modem, and if you ...
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Jul 25, 2007 07:44
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:26:12 -0700, Immortalist wrote:
> no institution has an impact on the American government
> as large as the media.
The Constitutional right of a free press is lumped together with
others that together establish the right of opinion concerning
government and the right to information needed to have this opinion.
The specific form or way this information is obtained is irrelevant. All
forms are, or should be, protected. What we call 'the press' or media do
not have any Constitutional worth in and of themselves other than to this
end. It is left to a reader or listener to determine what has value what
does not.
Large media is 'large' because it has been consolidated. With that, it has
consolidated and, so, restricted it's information. It's form greatly
weakens, if not destroys, it's Constitutional function.
> The American press has asserted itself as a major player in
> shaping government policies - from the earliest days to the present
> time.
This is nothing to brag about.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jul 25, 2007 11:33
> On 24-Jul-2007, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Is the internet just another form of electronic media that will be
>> mainstreamed and censored by corporate advertising dollars?
>
> It doesn't have to be censored, nobody reads the crap we post to the
> newsgroups. It would cost millions of dollars to make even a small
> percentage of internet users aware of Usenet, much less to use it. Support
> Texas independance, legalize cock biting, and poligamy... See, I'm still
> here... The censors must have missed that one.
>
You make it sound like the evolution of the telephone. Nobody,
hypothetically, listens to personal conversations on the phone, except
the people conversing with each other. Could advertising get into the
conversation, probably not.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jul 25, 2007 11:38
On Jul 24, 5:19 pm, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:
> Even within the Internet's interactive advantages
> a significant weakness remains : that is the normal
> anonymity of the user. How this will play our I don't
> know. I have on occasion wished for some means for
> damaging some user.
> Where transactions occur that require accountability,
> various structural changes will occur. In the case of
> illegal transactions we see stings and trap houses.
> With legal transactions various banking procedures
> have been set up. Also soon we may see such as
> Amazon buying out such as UPS or FED EX.
> Then there are the many ISPs, these will probably be bought
> up by such as AT&T, at least consolidated, we have seen
> some of this already. Perhaps AT&T will then buy out Amazon
> until...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jul 25, 2007 11:44
On Jul 25, 7:44 am, ZerkonX zerkonx.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:26:12 -0700, Immortalist wrote:
>> no institution has an impact on the American government
>> as large as the media.
>
> The Constitutional right of a free press is lumped together with
> others that together establish the right of opinion concerning
> government and the right to information needed to have this opinion.
>
> The specific form or way this information is obtained is irrelevant. All
> forms are, or should be, protected. What we call 'the press' or media do
> not have any Constitutional worth in and of themselves other than to this
> end. It is left to a reader or listener to determine what has value what
> does not.
>
> Large media is 'large' because it has been consolidated. With that, it has
>...
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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: Aug 8, 2007 09:12
> Is the internet just another form of electronic media that will be
> mainstreamed and censored by corporate advertising dollars?
No. The purpose of advertising is to sell products. If the corporation
believes that one way to sell more products is through the electronic media
they will use the electronic media, which is what they are already doing in
one form or another. Think why corporations have their own Home Page. What
is the purpose of having a Home Page. What do you find when you go to one
of these Corporate Home Pages?
>
> As the percentage of people that use the internet grows, how will the
> regular world adapt if the product cannot be mainstreamed and packaged
> like other electronics based media like the music, film,and television
> industries? What would have to happen to the internet to make it as
> profitable as other electronic genres?
They will have to adjust to the new environment, or suffer the consequences.
>
> They call it [electronic media] the fifth branch of government.
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