If we are to discuss intelligence, we must first make our peace with
the relationship between body and soul. Some, of course, are not aware
that there is a problem. Let them be happy in their ignorance. Do not
disturb.

Others are aware of a pseudo-problem that they lay to a poor choice of
words, a misuse of language. They tend to be very, very clever. They
turn on a spigot, and a rush of words befogs the question.

Soul (spirit, essence, psyche, mind, consciousness, awareness,
intelligence, intellect, mentality, self, individuality, persona,
personality, conscious mental field, self awareness, sentience,
executive function).

All these words imply an uneasiness with soul. All these words imply
an object, or something approaching an object. Something we might
carry about in a watch pocket and take out for display at an
appropriate time.

Such a diarrhea of the mouth. There is no talking to them. They have
surrounded themselves with such a fortress of words that they cannot
hear.

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On Mar 30, 7:45 pm, "rs...@nycap.rr.com" nycap.rr.com> wrote:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:45:49 -0700 (PDT), "rscan@nycap.rr.com" nycap.rr.com> wrote:

On Mar 30, 7:05 pm, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:

I agree with much of what you say. But why is consciousness an
illusion? Is the quality of "wettness" of hydrogen and oxygen
molecules enmass, an illusion? No it is a quality of these atoms
interacting in changing relationships over time.

If you simulate water on a computer it still may not "feel" wet. I
think it is possible to create the qualities of experience by
manipulating matter but it may not be possible for circuits to
actually "feel" alive. Then again maybe it is possible, but I think
that if we want to simulate and emulate subjective experience we might
have to create some sort of wetware that produces fields and charges
like a brain does.

On Mar 31, 8:45 am, "rs...@nycap.rr.com" nycap.rr.com> wrote:

My feet always go where my head tells them to go, so where's your
problem? Do your feet go south when your mind instructs them go north?

MG

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On Mar 30, 7:45 pm, "rs...@nycap.rr.com" nycap.rr.com> wrote:

"Immortalist" yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It is only when one looks through 'non relative eyes' does the illusion
become apparent.Knowing a brick is made up of vibrating energy doesnt dampen
the pain when it drops on your foot.

At a more subtle and powerful level, the 'state of mind' people have, such
as victim consciousness (relationships are dominated by this state) can be
seen clearly as illusion. Made real by the observer.(s)

Below you make references to some amazing scientific speculations, with
tuble construction etc...but makes no progress into the 'reality of life'.

On Mar 30, 11:25 pm, c...@kcwc.com (Curt Welch) wrote: