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Author: J PJ P Date: Apr 25, 2008 22:57
We may look at the data perceived by our senses at least from 2
different point of views, as energy and information.
We know that we need to achieve an energy equilibrium but is the same
valid for information?
Is “consciousness” the description of the mechanism that attempts to
achieve this informational equilibrium?
JP
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Apr 25, 2008 23:12
On Apr 25, 10:57 pm, J P lycos.com> wrote:> We may look at the data perceived by our senses at least from 2
> different point of views, as energy and information.
> We know that we need to achieve an energy equilibrium but is the same
> valid for information?
> Is “consciousness” the description of the mechanism that attempts to
> achieve this informational equilibrium?
> JP
Its like the self is surfing on alot more similar neural activities,
but the surfer controls the ocean under him or here. Thats where the
similarity breaks down, where the neural activities that are the self
can influence much larger groups of activities with smaller impulses
which grow or snowball.
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Author: J PJ P Date: Apr 25, 2008 23:42
On Apr 26, 9:12 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:> On Apr 25, 10:57 pm, J P lycos.com> wrote:
>>> We may look at the data perceived by our senses at least from 2
>> different point of views, as energy and information.
>> We know that we need to achieve an energy equilibrium but is the same
>> valid for information?
>> Is “consciousness” the description of the mechanism that attempts to
>> achieve this informational equilibrium?
>> JP
>
> Its like the self is surfing on alot more similar neural activities,
> but the surfer controls the ocean under him or here. Thats where the
> similarity breaks down, where the neural activities that are the self
> can influence much larger groups of activities with smaller impulses
> which grow or snowball.
>
> The term self-organization, after decades of specialists' interest,
> has become an increasingly popular label for phenomena which appear to
> determine their own form and process(es). There is now widespread ...
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Apr 25, 2008 23:54
On Apr 26, 1:57 am, J P lycos.com> wrote:> We may look at the data perceived by our senses at least from 2
> different point of views, as energy and information.
> We know that we need to achieve an energy equilibrium but is the same
> valid for information?
> Is “consciousness” the description of the mechanism that attempts to
> achieve this informational equilibrium?
> JP
Whats "consciousness"? But on whole your question is stupid. Sorry to
be rude. Of course you can imagine i'm stupid too. I fully accept
that. Another point would be to your question; what "equilibrium" ? Is
there such a thing? huh? You mean like 1+1=2?
But i do like this broad description written by somebody else:
"But what, exactly, is constructivism? Five basic themes pervade the
diversity of theories expressing constructivism. These themes are (1)
active agency, (2) order, (3) self, (4) social-symbolic relatedness...
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Author: kunzmilankunzmilan Date: Apr 26, 2008 00:28
On 26 Dub, 08:42, J P lycos.com> wrote:> On Apr 26, 9:12 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> On Apr 25, 10:57 pm, J P lycos.com> wrote:>
>>> We may look at the data perceived by our senses at least from 2
>>> different point of views, as energy and information.
>>> We know that we need to achieve an energy equilibrium but is the same
>>> valid for information?
>>> Is “consciousness” the description of the mechanism that attempts to
>>> achieve this informational equilibrium?
>>> JP
>
>> Its like the self is surfing on alot more similar neural activities,
>> but the surfer controls the ocean under him or here. Thats where the
>> similarity breaks down, where the neural activities that are the self
>> can influence much larger groups of activities with smaller impulses
>> which grow or snowball. ...
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Author: J PJ P Date: Apr 26, 2008 04:05
On Apr 26, 9:54 am, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:> On Apr 26, 1:57 am, J P lycos.com> wrote:
>>> We may look at the data perceived by our senses at least from 2
>> different point of views, as energy and information.
>> We know that we need to achieve an energy equilibrium but is the same
>> valid for information?
>> Is “consciousness” the description of the mechanism that attempts to
>> achieve this informational equilibrium?
>> JP
>
> Whats "consciousness"?
My mistake, I should have left the mention of "consiousness" out my
post.
JP
>But on whole your question is stupid. Sorry to
> be rude. Of course you can imagine i'm stupid too. I fully accept
> that.
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Apr 26, 2008 03:57
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:57:58 -0700, J P wrote:
> We may look at the data perceived by our senses at least from 2
> different point of views, as energy and information. We know that we
> need to achieve an energy equilibrium but is the same valid for
> information?
> Is “consciousness” the description of the mechanism that attempts to
> achieve this informational equilibrium? JP
Sounds interesting. Can you ground this with an example?
Something that may or may not go along with what your are saying...
There is a parallel, actually an very interesting one, to the question of
late about the 'conscious' bacteria. The position was that since it did
not eat itself and so could separate it's food from itself, it had a
conscious.
The relevance here is that the body does in fact eat itself, in a way.
Food is digested, stored then used only after it enters a form usable by
the body. This 'data' you speak of might go through the same process. The
senses 'digest' the data to a point where it can be processed.
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Author: J PJ P Date: Apr 26, 2008 04:16
On Apr 26, 10:28 am, kunzmilan wrote:
> On 26 Dub, 08:42, J P lycos.com> wrote:
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>>> On Apr 26, 9:12 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:>
>>> On Apr 25, 10:57 pm, J P lycos.com> wrote:>
>>>> We may look at the data perceived by our senses at least from 2
>>>> different point of views, as energy and information.
>>>> We know that we need to achieve an energy equilibrium but is the same
>>>> valid for information?
>>>> Is “consciousness” the description of the mechanism that attempts to
>>>> achieve this informational equilibrium?
>>>> JP
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>>> Its like the self is surfing on alot more similar neural activities, ...
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Author: J JonesJ Jones Date: Apr 26, 2008 06:44
Immortalist wrote:
> On Apr 25, 10:57 pm, J P lycos.com> wrote:>> We may look at the data perceived by our senses at least from 2
>> different point of views, as energy and information.
>> We know that we need to achieve an energy equilibrium but is the same
>> valid for information?
>> Is “consciousness” the description of the mechanism that attempts to
>> achieve this informational equilibrium?
>> JP
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> Its like the self is surfing on alot more similar neural activities,
> but the surfer controls the ocean under him or here.
That, obviously, is a metaphor. We don't really travel or surf along
neural pathways. But what is it a metaphor for?
Thats where the
> similarity breaks down, where the neural activities that are the self
> can influence much larger groups of activities with smaller impulses
> which grow or snowball.
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Author: J JonesJ Jones Date: Apr 26, 2008 06:46
J P wrote:
> We may look at the data perceived by our senses at least from 2
> different point of views, as energy and information.
> We know that we need to achieve an energy equilibrium but is the same
> valid for information?
> Is “consciousness” the description of the mechanism that attempts to
> achieve this informational equilibrium?
> JP
You are talking metaphorically, right?
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