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Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: MichaelNJ
Date: Jan 15, 2008 13:26

On Jan 14, 11:00 pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 14, 4:27 pm, ibsham...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The problems that the children of hippies experienced have been blamed
>> on the supposed bad parenting of them by the hippies. This is the case
>> of misconstruing cause and effect. The root of the problem is that the
>> parents lived by one set of values while living in a society that ran
>> by another.
>
> The Nurture Assumption:
> Why Children Turn Out the Way They Do
>
> Whether it's musical talent, criminal tendencies, or fashion sense, we
> humans want to know why we have it or why we don't. What makes us the
> way we are? Maybe it's in our genes, maybe it's how we were raised,
> maybe it's a little of both--in any case, Mom and Dad usually receive
> both the credit and the blame.
>
> While it has been shown that genetics is only partly responsible for
> behavior it is also true that parents play a very minor role in mental
> and emotional development.
>
> The Nurture Assumption explores the mountain of evidence pointing away
> from parents and toward peer groups as the strongest environmental
> influence on personality development. Rather than leaping into the
> nature vs. nurture fray, Harris instead posits nurture (parental) vs.
> nurture (peer group), and in her view your kid's friends win, hands
> down.
>
> This idea, difficult as it may be to accept, is supported by the
> countless studies Harris cites in her breezy, charming prose. She is
> upset about the blame laid on parents of troubled children and has
> much to say (mostly negative) about "professional parental advice-
> givers." Her own advice may be summarized as "guide your child's peer-
> group choices wisely," but the aim of the book is less to offer
> guidance than to tear off cultural blinders.
>
> The inability of psychologists to demonstrate that parents have
> predictable effects on children, it is argued, vitiates the long-
> standing assumption of parents' crucial role in children's personality
> development.
>
> ...children learn separately, in each social context, how to behave in
> that context. By consequence, the primary influence on a child's
> social development is not the family setting (in which children merely
> learn how to behave toward other family members), but rather the peer
> group.
>
> The Nurture Assumption:
> Why Children Turn Out the Way They Dohttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684857073/
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> The Nurture Assumption by Judith Rich Harris, who argues that
> children's personalities are shaped by their genes as well as by their
> environments, so similarities between children and their parents may
> come from their shared genes and not just from the effects of
> parenting...
>
> - The Nurture Assumption, How Much Parents Shape Children, Birth
> Order, Critical Stages
>
> THOUGH BEHAVIORAL GENETICISTS have known about the heritability of
> mental traits (First Law) for decades, it took a while for the absence
> of effects of the shared environment (Second Law) and the magnitude of
> the effects of the unique environment (Third Law) to sink in. Robert
> Plomin and Denise Daniels first sounded the alarm in a 1987 article
> called "Why Are Children in the Same Family So Different from One
> Another?" The enigma was noted by other behavioral geneticists such as
> Thomas Bouchard, Sandra Scarr, and David Lykken and spotlighted again
> by David Rowe in his 1994 book The Limits of Family Influence. It was
> also the springboard for the historian Frank Sulloway's widely
> discussed 1996 book on birth order and revolutionary temperament, Born
> to Rebel. Still, few people outside behavioral genetics really
> appreciated the importance of the Second and Third Laws.
>
> It all hit the fan in 1998 when Judith Rich Harris, an unaffiliated
> scholar (whom the press quickly dubbed "a grandmother from New
> Jersey"), published The Nurture Assumption. A Newsweek cover story
> summed up the topic: "Do Parents Matter? A Heated Debate About How
> Kids Develop." Harris brought the three laws out of the journals and
> tried to get people to recognize their implications: that the
> conventional wisdom about childrearing among experts and laypeople
> alike is wrong.
>
> It was Rousseau who made parents and children the main actors in the
> human drama. Children are noble savages, and their upbringing and
> education can either allow their essential nature to blossom or can
> saddle them with the corrupt baggage of civilization. Twentieth-
> century versions of the Noble Savage and the Blank Slate kept parents
> and children at center stage. The behaviorists claimed that children
> are shaped by contingencies of reinforcement, and advised parents not
> to respond to their children's distress because it would only reward
> them for crying and increase the frequency of crying behavior.
> Freudians theorized that we are shaped by our degree of success in
> weaning, toilet training, and identification with the parent of the
> same sex, and advised parents not to bring infants into their beds
> because it would arouse damaging sexual desires. Everyone theorized
> that psychological disorders could be blamed on mothers: autism on
> their coldness, schizophrenia on their "double binds," anorexia on
> their pressure on girls to be perfect. Low self-esteem was attributed
> to "toxic parents" and every other problem to "dysfunctional
> families." Patients in many forms of psychotherapy while away their
> fifty minutes reliving childhood conflicts, and most biographies
> scavenge through the subject's childhood for the roots of the
> grownup's tragedies and triumphs.
>
> By now most well-educated parents believe that their children's fates
> are in their hands. They want their children to be popular and self-
> confident, to get good grades and stay in school, to avoid drugs,
> alcohol, and cigarettes, to avoid getting pregnant or fathering a
> child while a teenager, to stay on the right side of the law, and to
> become happily married and professionally successful. A parade of
> parenting experts has furnished them with advice, ever changing in
> content, never changing in certitude, on how to attain that outcome.
> The current recipe runs something like this. Parents should stimulate
> their babies with colorful toys and varied experiences. ("Take them
> outside. Let them feel tree bark," advised a pediatrician who shared a
> couch with me on a morning television show.) They should read and talk
> to their babies as much as possible to foster their language
> development. They should interact and communicate with their children
> at all ages, and no amount of time is too much. ("Quality time," the
> idea that working parents could spend an intense interlude with their
> children between dinner and bedtime to make up for their absence
> during the day, quickly became a national joke; it was seen as a
> rationalization by mothers who would not admit that their careers were
> compromising their children's welfare.) Parents should set firm but
> reasonable limits, neither bossing their children around nor giving
> them complete license. Physical punishment of any kind is out, because
> that perpetuates a cycle of violence. Nor should parents belittle
> their children or say that they are bad, because that will damage
> their self-esteem. On the contrary, they should shower them with hugs
> and unconditional affirmations of love and approval. And parents
> should communicate intensively with their adolescent children and take
> an interest in every aspect of their lives.
>
> A few parents have begun to question the imperative to become round-
> the-clock parenting machines. A recent cover story in Newsweek
> entitled "The Parent Trap" reported on the frazzled mothers and
> fathers who devote every nonworking minute to entertaining and
> chauffeuring their children for fear that they will otherwise turn
> into ne'er-do-wells or cafeteria snipers. A similar story in the
> Boston Globe Magazine with the ironic title "How to Raise a Perfect
> Child ..." elaborates:
>
> "I'm overwhelmed with parenting advice," says Alice Kelly of Newton.
> "I read all about how I'm supposed to be providing my children with
> enriching play experiences. I'm supposed to do lots of physical
> activity with them so I can instill in them a physical fitness habit
> so they'll grow up to be healthy, fit adults. And I'm supposed to do
> all kinds of intellectual play so they'll grow up smart. Also, there
> are all kinds of play, and I'm supposed to do each-clay for finger
> dexterity, word games for reading success, large-motor play, small-
> motor play. I feel like I could devote my life to figuring out what to
> play with my kids." ...
>
> Elizabeth Ward, a Stoneham dietician, has been puzzling over why-
> parents are so "willing to be short-order cooks, preparing two or
> three meals at a time" in order to please the kids.... [One reason] is
> a belief that forcing a kid to choose between eating what's presented
> or skipping a meal will lead to eating disorders-a thought that
> probably never occurred to parents in earlier decades.
>
> The humorist Dave Barry comments on the experts' advice to parents of
> adolescents:
>
> In addition to watching for warning signs, you must "keep the lines of
> communication open" between yourself and your child. Make a point of
> taking an interest in the things your child is interested in so that
> you can develop a rapport, as we see in this dialogue:
>
> FATHER: What's that music you're listening to, son?
>
> SON: It's a band called "Limp Bizkit," Dad.
>
> FATHER: They suck.
>
> ... You should strive for this kind of closeness in your relationship
> with your child. And remember: If worse comes to worst, there is no
> parenting tool more powerful than a good hug. If you sense that your
> child is getting into trouble, you must give that child a great big
> fat hug in a public place with other young people around, while
> saying, in a loud, piercing voice, "You are MY LITTLE BABY and I love
> you NO MATTER WHAT!" That will embarrass your child so much that he or
> she may immediately run off and join a strict religious order whose
> entire diet consists of gravel. If one hug doesn't work, threaten to
> give your child another.
>
> Backlash aside, is it possible that the experts' ...
>
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It appears what you are saying is that parents have less of an
influence then peer groups. How do you miss that fact that parents
can also be instrumental in the access to certain peer groups. I.E.
If I let my children run with gangs (but am a great parent at home), I
still have failed as a parent.
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