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Author: chazwin
Date: Jul 13, 2008 08:41

On Jul 12, 7:41 pm, Just Me gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 12, 7:48 am, ibshambat2...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>> Scott Peck was to psychology what Immanuel Kant
>> was to Western philosophy. In the same way as Kant
>> had used philosophy, after a blossoming during
>> Enlightenment and Romanticism, to affectuate a
>> return to the Protestant dogmas that philosophy had
>> sought to replace, so did Peck use psychology, after its
>> psychoanalitic beginnings in early 20th century and its
>> existential humanistic blossoming in 1960s and 1970s,
>> to affectuate a return to religious dogmas that
>> psychology had struggled to overcome.
>
>> The philosophy of Kant - and the psychology of Peck -
>> employed a device referred to by Mortimer Adler as
>> suicidal epistemologizing and suicidal psychologizing.
>> Kant claimed that the imperfection of human perception
>> meant that it was only capable of apprehending the
>> phenomenal (apparent) instead of the noumenal (the
>> true); he also claimed that beauty was relative, illusory
>> and insignificant ("in the eye"). With these claims he
>> trivialized and denigrated both science and art.
>
> Anyone who knows his Kant at first hand, recognizes all this for a
> complete failure to comprehend the most fundamental elements of what
> the great man had to say.

I think you are overplaying your hand here. Everyone who had the
pleasure to know Kant at first hand are all long dead.
Otherwise you are correct to say this hideous essay is a complete
misconception of Kant and his works.
>
> Here's just a few points from an essay on Kantian Metaphysics
> from . . .
>
> http://mackiemesser.zoomshare.com/2.shtml
> --
> Kant was being given to understand, most especially with a view to
> Geometry, that by fixing upon certain indemonstrable First Principles
> intuited as being self-evident, if what follows from those things
> axiomatically is seen to be in accord with logic without fault, and as
> such produces results in the real world, then this is science just as
> surely as the empirical method is science. . .
>
> Unlike the facts and data of empiricism, these theorems cannot be
> proven by anything *prior* to themselves, or i.e. higher in priority
> of universality, causality, time, position, motion, category, genus,
> etc. This is the meaning of that which is *a priori*, better known, or
> previously known.
>
> Somewhere the process comes to that for which nothing is prior. And
> this is where we come to a concept, a theorem, a principle which like
> some star just radiates its truth self-evidently--but how?
>
> This paragraph will be somewhat confusing, but this is to speak of
> that which is in Kant's terms, "noumenal", the *thing in itself*,
> entire. The noumenal reality which stands within and behind all
> phenomena (the "subtle mind" and "subtle body" which Buddhists have
> always understood) is something that the human mind already,
> concretely, congenitally (albeit often unconsciously) knows, *a
> priori* as untutored by anything outside the figure/ground *gestalt*
> of itself and the thing contemplated.
>
> Something the mind sees naturally, in that thing, of what it is, in
> itself, *noumenatively*, it knows because something in the makeup of
> the mind is like that thing, or somehow, by Nature, *is* that thing
> and so has an affinity of understanding as to that thing.
>
> Both things being natural, reason and the object of reason, the mind
> knowing itself, ineffably knows its own nature, thinks its own nature,
> works according to its nature, by which it intuits an analog of itself
> to the thing of nature contemplated and understands what it is--mind
> to thing--without intervention of anything else.
>
> Here in the self-evident truth, the mind is in synthesis with its
> object.
> --
> The triumph of Kant was supreme, in realms of thought and study where
> empiricism can provide no useful data that would not be subject in its
> interpretation to the fallacies of what he proves to be the logical
> "antinomies" where the opposite of a proposition can be proven to be
> just as valid as the proposition itself. Hence the ethical, political,
> sociological and psychological arguments that go on ad infinitum, ad
> nauseam.
>
> Kant shows this to be the case whenever arguments from physical or
> statistical data (phenomena) are given to the nonphysical "noumena" of
> subjects such as God and Ethics, let alone politics, sociology, and as
> I would argue, psychology. Such arguments can only speciously
> analogize from phenomena to noumena whenever "thing in itself" under
> study can produce no data of itself.
>
> For example: no aspect of the law, "Thou shalt not commit adultery"
> can be brought into the laboratory for observation and experiment. You
> can't carbon date it, or subject it to spectral analysis, and you
> can't speciously analogize from the adulterous white lab rat to the
> skirt-chasing, philandering human--not unless you can dig up from the
> ground somewhere the original tablets of the "Lab Rat Ten
> Commandments" to show that there is consciousness of adultery in the
> rat. And when the betrayed wife is heard to shout, "So now you come
> home at three in the morning, you dirty, sneaking rat!" Will you
> suppose to have found a significant correspondence between the lab and
> the human condition?
>
> Hardly. And for this reason the very noumenal quality of things like
> adultery, murder, human kindness, the Oedipus complex, any alleged
> lies behind the War in Iraq cannot be touched by the empirical method,
> which is bound to turn up as much date for as against the endless
> argumentation. Rather! These things are all ethical and sociological
> geometries whose axioms may be arrived upon by no other approach than
> that of Pure Reason.
>
> And what are these but analyses and syntheses to and from self-
> evident, a priori judgments, which are only so by force of their being
> universal, absolute. As such, the analytically a priori is always
> general, and never at hazard of being only speciously, or i.e.
> specifically, anecdotally true.
>
> To argue from the specific anecdote to the general is to mistake, or
> dishonestly place the specious for the specific and to falsely
> identify the specific as the general, the species of Howler monkey for
> the whole genus of monkeys.
>
> In lieu of having some knowledge at first hand in the pioneering
> logical adventures and discoveries of Aristotle, there is little hope
> of ever understanding Kant at any hand--and certainly not mine.
> --
> JMhttp://whosenose.blogspot.comhttp://jesusexegesis.blogspot.com
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