If everything is an illusion then why are people so convinced about
anything?

Perhaps thats an illusion too... (heh heh heh)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6G3hUtu150

On Mar 13, 1:46 am, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:

(much better link - only heard the song on previous link)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjWNini_vuY

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:46:24 -0700 (PDT), turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:

Perhaps because the "illusions" are caste and given credibility
at such "low" level neural structures. Also, perhaps, because
those functions have been tried out over eons and eons of
evolution, the structures are reliably produced, in most all, during
gestation. When breeding and survival depends on those illusions,
the system gets with it.

However, human hubris "likes" the idea of magic. Kind of special!

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:46:24 -0700, turtoni wrote:

Maybe everything is not an illusion then.

turtoni wrote:

Doubt, particularly self-doubt isn't good for us.
Doubt, fear, anxiety, frustration all relate to
the unanswered or unanswerable question. Illusions
inhabit those places where doubt might exist.

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You're probably not far off here.
I like Issac Azimov's treatment in his Foundation Trilogy, where in the last
chapter of that story of his vision of developmental stages of civilization,
he devises a sort of 'overseeing' mentat tribe that had become specialized
in the psychological maintenance of the masses. In essence, I see this as
perhaps a functional solution to our present problem where, as Sir Fred so
often agrues, our 'stories' no longer work for us. I restate that same
sentiment that our 'illusions' no longer work for us [which is the language
you hit upon here on your thread]. We are sort of growing out of a former
fog into our adolescence perhaps, sobering from past illusions into a new
clarity that does not as easily support belief systems.

On Mar 13, 6:07 pm, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:

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On Mar 13, 6:07 pm, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:

On Mar 13, 8:39 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:

perhaps

I think "everything" is like the elephant that a dozen blind men were
touching from different angles. One's personal 'angle' disproves the other
guy at the opposite end. But does that make the other guy's view the
illusion? Yet, from the broader perspective [Sir Fred's for example], NO
ONE is right but only he who can see the entire elephant. I don't think
mere mortals can have such an entire view...or as Einstien argued about
truth, 'it can ascertained only when all facts are known'...which probably
can never be arrived at no matter how we try.