Pelosi wont do it, knowing how the record of Bush & Cheney will still
be fresh in the minds of the voters, which will add enormously to the
Democratic vote, and preclude any GOP candidate from winning.

She knows further that any new GOP president would have a leg up on
any Democratic candidate.

And lastly, the *reason* for impeachment lies largely in the
unconstitutional extensions of presidential power which the next
president will inherit from Bush unless there is impeachment.

And short of impeachment, the only way to prevent a Democrat from
taking over the White house would be a successful campaign by a new
independent candidate. Now since the Republicans are too fucking
stupid to figure this out, it is an unprecidented opportunity to
create a new national party.

That party could be created by the newsgroups. Rather than listening
to a set of motivated zealots try to convince the rest of us what
should be done, we'd do better to use these forums to expand the set
of options beyond what any given set of political operatives now has.

On Aug 10, 8:36 pm, Day Brown hughes.net> wrote:

Maybe not impeach Bush, but seperate themselves from him and don't let
him speak on their behalf or at their rallies. But isn't that what
happened with Clinton and the Lewinsky thing, I mean thats part of
what put Bush in office since Clinton dragged down the party even
though seperate and kept at a low profile?

On Aug 11, 12:05 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:

Clinton's approval ratings were never nearly as low as Bush's. I spoze
the GOP candidates will try that, but the damage has been done. They
used the emotional issues of abortion and gay marriage to motivate a
base, but that didnt give them a mandate to do anything about the
fiscal problems that are now evident in the mortgage market. Clinton
never took his eye off the ball, the economy.

"Day Brown" hughes.net> wrote in message
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"patriot" <care2.com> wrote in message
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Impeachment won't work either.

Dumbya Bush and the neocons didn't destroy the GOP. It was the one
two punch of Clinton and the internet.

The GOP was walking dead by 2000. All Democrats needed in 2000 was
someone willing to grab a shovel to bury the stinking mess.

But the words "grab a shovel" and "Al Gore" will never appear together
in any sentence except this one.

I knew back in 2000 Prince Alpert was a disaster.

For America to once again become a world leader Cheney needs to be
convicted and then put behind bars.

We can't do that with impeachment. Dumbya will only pardon him.

The Clintons could have beaten the Gipster back in 1984.

But the low profile thing didn't work for Democrats.

Now it looks like the Clintons will spend as much time in the White
House as F.D. Roosevelts

Bret Cahill

Clinton's ratings went _up_ after the sex scandal.

Why, you'ld have to be a dumb as Al Gore and other rightards to think
that was an issue.

Exactly!

In sharp contrast the weak minded Kerry could be led around by the
nose by any corp. media whore and we all know where the Big Pharma
shills led the idle rich do nothing: away from economic issues.

When the Clintons leave office in 2016 maybe the Democrats will be a
wiser party.

Bret Cahill

"Day Brown" hughes.net> wrote in message
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I've told myself not to enter into political debate on the internet because
it has become an infestation of secular progressivism. But can't resist to
point out something here and there I suppose.

Circle jerks do not win elections...and that's pretty much what the internet
has become. The same silent majority, much of it virolently against this
secular progressivism that has trashed our culture, that lambasted Kerry in
2004...is alive and well out here in the wild blue yonder [or should I say
'red yonder'].