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If others do it, it's their fault; if I do it, it's not my fault, it's because of the situation I'm in.         


Author: Immortalist
Date: May 11, 2008 22:12

Attribution is a concept in Social Psychology referring to how
individuals explain behaviors of others. ...The two main types of
attributions are internal and external attributions. When an internal
attribution is made, the cause of the given behavior is assigned to
the individuals personality, attitudes, character, or disposition.
When an external attribution is made, the cause of the given behavior
is assigned to the situation in which the behavior was seen. The
individual producing the behavior did so because of the surrounding
environment or the social situation. These two types of attribution
lead to very different perceptions of the individual engaging in a
behavior. Personal is Internal and SItuational is external...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_%%28psychology%%29
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Re: If others do it, it's their fault; if I do it, it's not my fault, it's because of the situation I'm in.         


Author: Malrassic Park
Date: May 11, 2008 22:32

On Sun, 11 May 2008 22:12:16 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
yahoo.com> wrote:
>These two types of attribution
>lead to very different perceptions of the individual engaging in a
>behavior. Personal is Internal and SItuational is external...
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_%%28psychology%%29

Doesn't it say there are two kinds of internal attribution, the moral
and the psychological?
--

" If I had remembered that the name 'Galt' appears
in one of her books, I would have chosen a different
name for my character."

Stephen R. Donaldson, "Gradual Interview"
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Author: Immortalist
Date: May 11, 2008 23:28

On May 11, 10:32 pm, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 22:12:16 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
>
> yahoo.com> wrote:
>>These two types of attribution
>>lead to very different perceptions of the individual engaging in a
>>behavior. Personal is Internal and SItuational is external...
>
>
> Doesn't it say there are two kinds of internal attribution, the moral
> and the psychological?
> --
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Author: ZerkonX
Date: May 12, 2008 05:04

On Sun, 11 May 2008 22:12:16 -0700, Immortalist wrote:
> The two main types of
> attributions are internal and external attributions.

Better expressed:

Attributions are (falsely) classified into two main types.
The classification process demands a false division for the purpose of
study.

The 'internal' and 'external' are not as separate as this needed
cognitive process tells us. For instance, the quality of the environment,
let's say 'water', directly effects all internal processes. Internal
disposition, which can be the product of anything from upbringing to
developmental stage, can effect all perception of the environment.

Despite this there is a need to sort things out if a person, or as it
turns out a society, becomes ill and destructive to itself and/or others.
So these classification schemes hopefully will help. They may not however
in that it stamps blind spots onto the observer or clinician.
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Author: Malrassic Park
Date: May 12, 2008 10:00

On Sun, 11 May 2008 23:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
yahoo.com> wrote:
>On May 11, 10:32 pm, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 22:12:16 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
>>
>> yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>These two types of attribution
...
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Author: Immortalist
Date: May 12, 2008 11:56

On May 12, 10:00 am, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 23:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
>
>
>
>
>
> yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On May 11, 10:32 pm, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 22:12:16 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
>
>>> yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>These two types of attribution
>>>>lead to very different perceptions of the individual engaging in a
>>>>behavior. Personal is Internal and SItuational is external...
>
>
>>> Doesn't it say there are two kinds of internal attribution, the moral
>>> and the psychological? ...
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Author: Immortalist
Date: May 12, 2008 12:05

On May 12, 5:04 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 22:12:16 -0700, Immortalist wrote:
>> The two main types of
>> attributions are internal and external attributions.
>
> Better expressed:
>
> Attributions are (falsely) classified into two main types.
> The classification process demands a false division for the purpose of
> study.
>
> The 'internal' and 'external' are not as separate as this needed
> cognitive process tells us. For instance, the quality of the environment,
> let's say 'water', directly effects all internal processes. Internal
> disposition, which can be the product of anything from upbringing to
> developmental stage, can effect all perception of the environment.
>
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Re: If others do it, it's their fault; if I do it, it's not my fault, it's because of the situation I'm in.         


Author: Immortalist
Date: May 12, 2008 12:06

Conclusion: Of What Value Are Self-Biases?

The Social Animal - Elliot Aronson - 8th Edition 1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0716733129/

When we treat mental processes as objects and discover that the
overwhelming majority of people engage in such behavior as egocentric
thought and the self-serving bias, it would be easy to conclude that...
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Author: Malrassic Park
Date: May 12, 2008 21:30

On Mon, 12 May 2008 11:56:46 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
yahoo.com> wrote:
>Well I don't know what Rand thought about social psychology but here
>is an Objectivist trying to explain Objectivism out of a corner
>produced by an experiment that shows that a diffusion of
>responsibility can sometimes lead to strange and embarassing
>consequences. I say sometimes because in some experiments, like on a
>subway train everyone has sense of being teamed somehow and will help
>an injured person while out in the streets they will walk right by an
>injured person.
>
>http://ios.org/showcontent.aspx?ct=25&h=53

People's behavior is mainly a product of whatever social environment
they happen to be in at any given moment. They don't value
individualism or egoism, in fact for the most part they have no
principles.
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Author: Malrassic Park
Date: May 12, 2008 21:34

On Mon, 12 May 2008 12:05:05 -0700 (PDT), Immortalist
yahoo.com> wrote:
>The fact that this kid had two bowels of Count Chocula

Two "bowels"? Double the chocolate, double the fun!
--

" If I had remembered that the name 'Galt' appears
in one of her books, I would have chosen a different
name for my character."

Stephen R. Donaldson, "Gradual Interview"
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