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If Aristotle is so great         


Author: Malrassic Park
Date: Mar 3, 2008 17:09

then why did Ayn Rand change his law of non-contradiction to the law
of identity?
--
We usually go over the top w/ our new found freedoms.
Unfortunately, her 'followers' are as radical as Pat
Robertson's. Discernment goes out the window.
- A youtube poster
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Re: If Aristotle is so great         


Author: Michael Gordge
Date: Mar 3, 2008 19:58

On Mar 4, 10:09 am, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:
> then why did Ayn Rand change his law of non-contradiction to the law
> of identity?

It wasn't a change but rather a logical integration.

You cant call an apple and orange and you cant fit one where the other
is at the identical moment.

Ideas of reality must match / correspond with what happens in
reality.

But good to see you trying to think Melon

Perhaps you might like to now try and explain what objects and or
events did / does man experience to begin his knowledge of intuition
space time a priori sensibility spacial temporal transcendental,
especially given Kant's idea that objects awaken man's experiences to
begin all of his knowledge.

MG
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Re: If Aristotle is so great         


Author: Immortalist
Date: Mar 3, 2008 22:49

On Mar 3, 5:09 pm, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:
> then why did Ayn Rand change his law of non-contradiction to the law
> of identity?
> --

She didn't, since aristotle already devised a law of identity; An
entity without an identity cannot exist because it would be nothing.
To exist is to exist as something, and that means to exist with a
particular identity.

http://importanceofphilosophy.com/Metaphysics_Identity.html
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-noncontradiction/
> We usually go over the top w/ our new found freedoms.
> Unfortunately, her 'followers' are as radical as Pat
> Robertson's. Discernment goes out the window.
> - A youtube poster

Speaking of Aristotle, he tried to "muzzle" the apish human tendency
to excess;

Aristotle's Golden Mean: doctrine that right action lies in the middle
position between the extremes of excess and deficit.
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Re: If Aristotle is so great         


Author: Malrassic Park
Date: Mar 4, 2008 07:00

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:58:54 -0800 (PST), Michael Gordge
xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>On Mar 4, 10:09 am, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:
>> then why did Ayn Rand change his law of non-contradiction to the law
>> of identity?
>
>It wasn't a change but rather a logical integration.
>
>You cant call an apple and orange and you cant fit one where the other
>is at the identical moment.

But Rand's law of identity simply says that a thing is itself. Why are
you being such a revisionist? Because Rand was a revisionist of
Aristotle.
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Re: If Aristotle is so great         


Author: Malrassic Park
Date: Mar 4, 2008 07:28

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:49:55 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mar 3, 5:09 pm, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:
>> then why did Ayn Rand change his law of non-contradiction to the law
>> of identity?
>> --
>
>She didn't, since aristotle already devised a law of identity; An
>entity without an identity cannot exist because it would be nothing.
>To exist is to exist as something, and that means to exist with a
>particular identity.
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Re: If Aristotle is so great         


Author: Tron
Date: Mar 4, 2008 08:37

Hi,

"Malrassic Park" hotmail.com> skrev i melding
news:r0pqs31tduu1su4uctfngghv5ufl5sshr7@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:49:55 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
> yahoo.com> wrote:
>
....> And no, Aristotle had no law of identity,

Bochenski attributes to Aristotle knowledge of the law of identity, although
A.does not discuss it, but only mentions it in passing (
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Re: If Aristotle is so great         


Author: Malrassic Park
Date: Mar 4, 2008 09:59

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 08:28:23 -0700, Malrassic Park
hotmail.com> wrote:
>What you say is wholly true if you consider deficiency to be a form of
>excess, as with anorexia nervosa, an excess of not eating.

The ancient Greeks would never allow such a negative formulation as
"not eating." They would prefer something like "an excess of
starvation dieting."
--
We usually go over the top w/ our new found freedoms.
Unfortunately, her 'followers' are as radical as Pat
Robertson's. Discernment goes out the window.
- A youtube poster
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Re: If Aristotle is so great         


Author: Malrassic Park
Date: Mar 4, 2008 10:34

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:37:34 +0100, "Tron" wrote:
>Hi,
>
>
>"Malrassic Park" hotmail.com> skrev i melding
>news:r0pqs31tduu1su4uctfngghv5ufl5sshr7@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:49:55 -0800 (PST), Immortalist
>> yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>....> And no, Aristotle had no law of identity,
>
>Bochenski attributes to Aristotle knowledge of the law of identity, although
>A.does not discuss it, but only mentions it in passing (§12.18, p 70, J.M.
>Bochenski, "Formale Logik", Karl Alber, Freiburg/München 1978).
>The reference for this is a bit obscure in the bibliography, but given as
>"AaO B22, 68a20". Haven't been able to decipher what "AaO" stands for, if it
>isn't "Aristotelis Opera", (red. I. Bekker, Berlin 1831).

I don't know. Where did you get a copy of this book? You've made me
research Aristotle's Metaphysics which I read long ago.
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Re: If Aristotle is so great         


Author: Michael Gordge
Date: Mar 4, 2008 12:48

On Mar 5, 12:00 am, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:
> But Rand's law of identity simply says that a thing
> is itself.

And I can understand how ewe, a desperate Kantian, need a thing to be
many many things that its not, e.g. if all of man's knowledge begins
with objects awakening your experiences (as Kant wrote) then why not
the beginning of his knowledge of time space intuit sensibility
temporal beginning with objects and or events which require objects
anyway?

Michael Gordge
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Re: If Aristotle is so great         


Author: Malrassic Park
Date: Mar 4, 2008 15:08

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:48:08 -0800 (PST), Michael Gordge
xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>On Mar 5, 12:00 am, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> But Rand's law of identity simply says that a thing
>> is itself.
>
>And I can understand how ewe, a desperate Kantian, need a thing to be
>many many things that its not, e.g. if all of man's knowledge begins
>with objects awakening your experiences (as Kant wrote) then why not
>the beginning of his knowledge of time space intuit sensibility
>temporal beginning with objects and or events which require objects
>anyway?

Take your meds, then we'll discuss.

--
We usually go over the top w/ our new found freedoms.
Unfortunately, her 'followers' are as radical as Pat
Robertson's. Discernment goes out the window.
- A youtube poster
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