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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Apr 14, 2008 22:37
"Everyone aspires to be somebody, and no one wants to be a nobody.
From the depth of our souls, there is a persistent cry for personal
significance. This universal search for meaning manifests itself in a
variety of ways, from self-seeking to self-sacrifice. It seems that we
are prepared to do anything to convince ourselves, if not the rest of
the world, that we really matter and that our lives are worthwhile.
Unfortunately, most people are frustrated in their quest for
significance. The present system of elitism and rankism only allows a
select few to fulfill their aspirations. For example, many students
are competing for admissions into prestigious professions, such as
medicine, law and psychology, but only a small percentage are
successful.
The baby-boomers represent another case in point. After years of
struggle, most of them have found themselves stuck in their career
tracks or displaced as a result of downsizing or mergers; and their
dreams for success have become distant memories.
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Author: Don StockbauerDon Stockbauer Date: Apr 15, 2008 05:17
Sometime nothing's a pretty cool hand.
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Apr 15, 2008 07:40
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:37:57 -0700, turtoni wrote:
> I have been entertaining the idea of writing a book entitled: "I'm glad
> that I'm a nobody: A positive psychology of humility", because such a
> book will resonate with the great multitudes of common folks. This brief
> essay provides some ideas of what the book will look like.
Interesting. Thanks.
There is something he doesn't quite 'get' in all of this as seen in his
goal of writing a book that will 'resonate with the great multitudes of
common folks'. As it is, this is pretty funny.
Another consideration on this subject that is not rooted in religion.
Indeed, it is what brought religion into existence.
Many 'common folk' have roots or are in rural area's. This physical
environment almost demands what can be called humility and not as some
abstract virtue that must be developed or learned. It comes from the
everyday fact that physical elements are ultimately in control not the
human will and the human depends on them, not they on the human being.
This is so primal and basic in the human experience that it is considered
today as even 'backward' and primitive thinking.
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Author: curmudgeoncurmudgeon Date: Apr 15, 2008 12:47
As seen on a Bumper Sticker, years ago.
*If Nobody is Perfect, then I must be Nobody*
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Author: GallagherGallagher Date: Apr 16, 2008 05:50
> Is humility practical?
>
> How do we practice the virtue of humility in such a competitive,
> winner-take-all world? Is humility practical? We can all agree that
> humility is an admirable quality in others, because we feel safe and
> comfortable around people who are meek and humble. But when it comes
> to ourselves, we may consider humility a hindrance to success and a by-
> product of failure.
>
> How can anyone achieve success without ambition and a competitive
> spirit? Who does not feel elated and proud after accomplishing
> something great? Humility appears to be a foreign concept in a
> capitalist economy.
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Author: toolytooly Date: Apr 18, 2008 12:49
> Self-abasement vs. realistic self-assessment
>
> Humility is often linked to self-abasement, and the willingness to be
> a doormat. The word humility is derived from the Lain humilitas, that
> which is abject, ignoble, or of poor condition. St. Bernard defined it
> as "A virtue by which a man knowing himself as he truly is, abases
> himself."
>
> From a Christian perspective, self-abasement is a natural response,
> and the only appropriate response, when we recognize our own poor and
> corrupt state in the presence of a holy God. Such humility serves an
> important function in connecting us with faith in God and trust in His
> saving grace.
>
> However, self-abasement is not always helpful in our relationship with
> people, because it may invite them to trample on us like a doormat.
> St. Thomas points out that "It is then not humility but folly to
> embrace any and every humiliation; but when virtue calls for a thing
> to be done it belongs to humility not to shrink from doing it." (Cited
> in Catholic Encyclopedia) ...
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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Apr 18, 2008 21:47
On Apr 18, 3:49 pm, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:
(SNIPPED)
i dont think it's about making a stand, blah blah blah.
i think it's a request for you to stop beating around the bush and
just say in straight forward words what you feel and give me chance to
destroy learned gibbering in public.
for example:
do you believe it's wrong for a black man to fuck a white woman.
(FULLSTOP)
please quit smoke screening. so we can get this over and done with.
HTH.
ps - stick to the point.
pps - thanks.
ppps - otherwise STFU.
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Author: XarxXarx Date: Apr 19, 2008 15:42
> Will the world break those like me? Will turtoni and Sir and Immort turn
> me around; force me to embrace emptiness? I would kiss the devil's very
> lips in umbrage to his domain, respectful to all things...if only I am
> allowed my place in Christ's heart.
>
>
a) There is no such person as the devil.
b) Why do you desire a place in Christ's heart? The way to the Father is
through Christ. Why do you not desire a place in the Father's heart?
Xarx
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Author: toolytooly Date: Apr 19, 2008 17:34
>> Will the world break those like me? Will turtoni and Sir and Immort turn
>> me around; force me to embrace emptiness? I would kiss the devil's very
>> lips in umbrage to his domain, respectful to all things...if only I am
>> allowed my place in Christ's heart.
>>
>>
>
> a) There is no such person as the devil.
> b) Why do you desire a place in Christ's heart? The way to the Father is
> through Christ. Why do you not desire a place in the Father's heart?
>
> Xarx
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Author: bigfletch8bigfletch8 Date: Apr 19, 2008 19:52
On Apr 19, 5:49 am, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:>> Self-abasement vs. realistic self-assessment
>
>> Humility is often linked to self-abasement, and the willingness to be
>> a doormat. The word humility is derived from the Lain humilitas, that
>> which is abject, ignoble, or of poor condition. St. Bernard defined it
>> as "A virtue by which a man knowing himself as he truly is, abases
>> himself."
>
>> From a Christian perspective, self-abasement is a natural response,
>> and the only appropriate response, when we recognize our own poor and
>> corrupt state in the presence of a holy God. Such humility serves an
>> important function in connecting us with faith in God and trust in His
>> saving grace.
>
>> However, self-abasement is not always helpful in our relationship with
>> people, because it may invite them to trample on us like a doormat.
>> St. Thomas points out that "It is then not humility but folly to
>> embrace any and every humiliation; but when virtue calls for a thing
>> to be done it belongs to humility not to shrink from doing it." (Cited ...
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