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Author: Carl Sagan's billionsCarl Sagan's billions Date: Sep 18, 2008 22:06
When I was younger I struggled very hard and for several years
trying to understand Christianity, God, Jesus, Satan, Genesis, etc.
I tried to come to grips with the basic doctrines, the core beliefs
and ideas, the real essence of Christianity, the various teachings,
as well as the contradictions in Old versus New Testament.
What was the truth? Why? What did it all mean?
Why all these stories? Why were 66 old Jewish books bundled into
a Western bible. Why and how did Christianity and Islam arise from
Judaism? Why did God require his son to die for us at a wooden
cross, where did the fall in the Garden of Eden come from,
who was Satan, where is heaven, who or what is God, etc., etc.,
questions and questions and more questions.
I also tried to understand the behavior of so-called Christian
nations, colonizing or wreaking havoc in non-Christian countries
(and now again conducting horrible colonial wars on non-Christian
people in Asia and Africa - Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia).
I tried to understand the enslavement and killing of Africans, the
mass murder of Indians, and the many foreign wars by Christian
Americans and Europeans on poor people all over the world.
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Author: SeanSean Date: Sep 18, 2008 22:26
> When I was younger I struggled very hard and for several years
> trying to understand Christianity,
Well, that was your first mistake. :)
From that, everything else below follows.
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Author: Leo SgourosLeo Sgouros Date: Sep 18, 2008 22:54
>> When I was younger I struggled very hard and for several years
>> trying to understand Christianity,
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> From that, everything else below follows.
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Author: Leo SgourosLeo Sgouros Date: Sep 18, 2008 23:08
>>>> When I was younger I struggled very hard and for several years
>>>> trying to understand Christianity,
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>>> Well, that was your first mistake. :)
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>>> From that, everything else below follows.
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Author: SeanSean Date: Sep 18, 2008 23:11
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>>>> "Carl Sagan's billions" yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:186e4a7a-253f-4aca-bcd7-1baf248774a8@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...>>>>> When I was younger I struggled very hard and for several years
>>>>> trying to understand Christianity,
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>>>> Well, that was your first mistake. :)
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>>>> From that, everything else below follows.
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Author: bigfletch8bigfletch8 Date: Sep 19, 2008 00:00
On Sep 19, 3:06Â pm, "Carl Sagan's billions" yahoo.com>
wrote:> When I was younger I struggled very hard and for several years
> trying to understand Christianity, God, Jesus, Satan, Genesis, etc.
Waking up should be a struggle.:-) Spiritual evolution is at our
core.Just make certain that spirituality is NEVRER confused with
religiosity. Don't underestimate the power of self dialogue.
You have been able to eliminate most of the dogmas that go with the
course. Many spiritual masters (yes they do exist....but never ever
believe that, or you will miss them) say that the process of self
realization is a path of elimination. Finding out what you are not,
and you have done a great job of that.
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Author: John JonesJohn Jones Date: Sep 21, 2008 06:11
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> Rationality does not ENSURE more humanity, but in my
> opinion it is a more promising path than non-rationality.
Sagan coped with his puritanical beliefs by obsessionally developing and
promoting rational gadgets.
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Author: Lorrie S.Lorrie S. Date: Sep 21, 2008 12:34
There is no soul. Only biological functioning. If you believe in souls,
then you believe in magic. If you believe in magic, then you are not
rational and cannot be taken seriously in any debate.
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Author: bigfletch8bigfletch8 Date: Sep 21, 2008 16:29
On Sep 21, 11:11 pm, John Jones aol.com> wrote:>> Rationality does not ENSURE more  humanity, but in my
>> opinion it is a more promising path than non-rationality.
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> Sagan coped with his puritanical beliefs by obsessionally developing and
> promoting rational gadgets.
A bit like DaVinci ?
BOfL
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Author: bigfletch8bigfletch8 Date: Sep 21, 2008 16:33
On Sep 22, 8:32Â am, "Lorrie S." yahoo.com> wrote:> There is no soul. Â Only biological functioning. Â If you believe in souls,
> then you believe in magic. Â If you believe in magic, then you are not
> rational and cannot be taken seriously in any debate.
Only beliefs suppport debate.
Ironically, it is only believers who would make your opening
definitive statement, attracting others playing the 'mutual
convincing' game.
BOfL
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